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Ann
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Feb 16, 2013 01:07PM
So...whaddya think? Personally, I think it's ridiculous. So if a white man beats up a black man, and gets tried--well if they discover that he is racist, then he might get a worse punishment because of that. That would be a "hate crime". Basically, the government is punishing us for our beliefs!
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also, it's really annoying how ppl can make fun of Christians and it's like "lol! those silly Christians, going to church and freaking out if I say OMG..."like, there was this show called GCB, which was based off of a book called Good Christian B******. they reassured everyone it stood for Good Christian Belles, and it's like yeah, sure. anyway, it was about "Christian" women, and they were always basically bashing in Christians and making fun of them on the show w/all these ridiculous stuff they were doing. (btw, I did NOT watch this show, i read a Christian review on it!!)
i hate that...if somebody did that with muslims, or jews, or mormans, or jehovah's witnesses or whatever, they would get so much hate mail!! (not to mention being kicked off tv)
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD
Caro wrote: "WHAT?? hows that not a hate crime and trashing muslims who deserve it is??"Not every Muslim is an extremist,let alone a terrorist.
No one should hate anyone; however,the country's definition of hate crime is extreme and highly biased. However,that's the sin-filled world we live in. But I also find it aggravating when people trash talk other people and call it freedom of speech as if it's okay to verbally assault someone just because you disagree with their beliefs. Our country has redefined the word "tolerance" too; what they really mean is closer to "acceptance." But I really dislike politics and only pay attention to it enough to vote as a responsible citizen,and I try to remember to pray for our country and its leaders as a responsible Christian,but I never pray as much as I should about anything.
I so agree. People, no need to be so angry seriously your spitting out insults like crazy
Hate crimes are so wrong. EXTREMELY WRONG! Hate is a pointless emotion that only causes evil strife and pain and death. Its wrong to hurt people out of spite. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. How could people hate people like they do?
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of course but the government is taking it too far. connecting arabs with terrorism is considered a hate crime now! and is it? NO
Caro wrote: "Rose wrote: "Hate crimes are so wrong. EXTREMELY WRONG! Hate is a pointless emotion that only causes evil strife and pain and death. Its wrong to hurt people out of spite. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wron..."Well, generalizing their culture is, but I don't like how they don't even act like they're a suspect.
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hence this book. but hate isn't a crime. no i dont think we should hate people (love each other etc etc) but islamic immigrants in the usa are pushing for it to be highly disapproved to criticize islam etc.
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I had to study the difference in history. You mean you were never required to study it?"
not yet..
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and people are in freedom of speech but called hate the lines are blurred both ways
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Well, I wouldn't make racism illegal, it's kind of a moot point. Freedom of speech is an amendment but if its actual assault and battery, that's different. Personally, I hate racism, but making it illegal won't stop it either. (And Hi!!!)
Okay, just read page 1--and here's what I think. So, a hate crime is a crime motivated by a prejudice against the person somehow. I totally agree with Rose! Hate crime is terrible. I mean, that somebody would harm somebody else, or their property or family, because of their skin color or race or whatever.
♥iDevourBooks♥ *Sonic~Obsessed* said: "Well, I think we should have it a hate crime to be racist because with racism many blacks weren't allowed (and in some places, it is still that way despite the law) so it should be a hate crime to be racist."
Well, first of all, it's not a hate crime unless the person actually...committed a crime. It's not a crime to not like somebody, unless you actually harm them, their property, etc.
Second of all, do you mean by "we should have it a hate crime" that people should get punished for it? For being racist? Yeah, racism is wrong, but you can't punish someone for what they believe, unless they take action 'cause of it.
I believe that a crime is a crime and people should be punished according to what they did--not according to what motivated them to do it/why they did it. Like, if Bob kills Fred, well it doesn't matter if Bob killed Fred 'cause Bob hates all people who wear blue t-shirts (and Fred was wearing one). The point is that Bob killed him. Not that Bob killed him because...
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So, a hate crime is a crime motivated by a prejudice against the person somehow. I totally agree with Rose! Hate crime is terrible. I mean, that s..."
if its just hate but doesnt physically offend someone its not a crime so agreed XD
oh, boy...OH NO...plz don't get me started...please, please...*gasp* can't hold it any longer..."don't do it Ann, don't do it..." seriously i'm going 2 launch into a whole HP debate right here!!
*deep breath* basically i read all the books and they were amazing and i've read them all five or six times and they are thick but i dont care they are soooo gooooood and i've watched all the movies like at least three times and -- *GASP*
well i read part of this book called "looking for God in Harry Potter" and it was really good but now my friend has it and she's supposed to give it back when she's done.
then there's this other book my dad had (don't remember what it's called) about why Christians shouldn't read HP...and now i'm sorta confused about what to think. Like, if God really wouldn't approve of Harry Potter, what do I do? I mean, i really really like them and I can't just dump 'em in the trash and forget about them!
one main point in the book about why Christians shouldn't read it was that it might leave some kids thinking that it was okay to do witchcraft = they get into witchcraft = they go to hell. basically. but i don't think that!! i know witchcraft is wrong but this is an a totally different fantasy world. i only see the characters and the morals. i'm not going to grab a stick and wave it around and call on demons or something!
the Harry Potter books are about friendship and sacrifice and doing everything to fight evil even in incredible danger. There's a lot of parallels to Jesus, too, in a way. I mean, Harry isn't perfect and god-like or something, but in the 5th book he is rebelling against an evil teacher (seriously--she's totally evil and twisted and wicked) and he forms this secret group where he trains his friends how to defend themselves. Then later in the 6th & 7th books those same friends carry on what he is doing even when he leaves the school (oops, spoiler...) and fight for him. Then (MAJOR SPOILER) in the last book he sacrifices himself for them. (comes back 2 life though.)
*groan* did i just post that? *GROAN* i did...*sigh* oh well. don't feel like deleting it. i took too much time typing it out to delete it now...ugh.
Ann wrote: "oh, boy...OH NO...plz don't get me started...please, please...*gasp* can't hold it any longer..."don't do it Ann, don't do it..." seriously i'm going 2 launch into a whole HP debate right here!!
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He doesn't actually die, you know. Technically, that is. It was the part of Voldemort inside him that died. I know that's not the relevant, but the point is that he was willing to die to save everyone and he went through with it without a fight. He chose to love his enemies, pity them. That always makes me cry.
The story is all about how love conquers all darkness, which is a sense follows what Jesus did, not like Harry Potter is at all equal to the bible, because it doesn't even come close at all!
Sorry, I know the girls hate it when I talk about it, but I needed to say something about it! By the way, we shouldn't argue about books here. Debate is healthy, but people getting all angry about stuff like this is wrong.
So, girls, don't try to stop people from talking about it, ok? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people are wrong for liking it to. You have your reasons for disliking it and we have reasons for liking it, ok? Another thing, keep an open mind about things, everyone. You can learn a lot from people if you can listen instead of running your mouth. Sorry, this needed to be said. I don't want to rant or get into anyone face, but this needs to be cooled down, all right?
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It won't repeat if everyone understands that fighting about it is pointless.
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All right! Great! Its healthy to keep the environment open, but yet keep everyone cool at the same time!
Okay, since Caro expected me to write something against Harry Potter, I will.
The Pope banned it because white magic, black magic, it's all Witchcraft. And the Devil never resembles God in any way, not even through books. And if Harry Potter were a Christian book, atheists wouldn't even touch it.
Simple answer. Caro asked for it, I gave my answer.
Oh, and according to Amendment 1, I have Freedom of Speech. I can clarify that with no problem unless people wish to challenge the First Amendment.
The Pope banned it because white magic, black magic, it's all Witchcraft. And the Devil never resembles God in any way, not even through books. And if Harry Potter were a Christian book, atheists wouldn't even touch it.
Simple answer. Caro asked for it, I gave my answer.
Oh, and according to Amendment 1, I have Freedom of Speech. I can clarify that with no problem unless people wish to challenge the First Amendment.
Fun time! wrote: "Okay, since Caro expected me to write something against Harry Potter, I will.The Pope banned it because white magic, black magic, it's all Witchcraft. And the Devil never resembles God in any way,..."
Ok, and you made your argument.
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Caro wrote: "wow! well that was a nice peaceful statement of opinion XD we are all getting better at this!"
Is that a compliment or do you mean it like a bad thing? Cuz I could go super-hyper. Right now, I'm getting hyper with my sis so I need to play some game or I'm toast.
Is that a compliment or do you mean it like a bad thing? Cuz I could go super-hyper. Right now, I'm getting hyper with my sis so I need to play some game or I'm toast.
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Hey guys! Er, girls! :D
This was interesting reading through. Had to laugh though, because halfway through somebody asked a completely random question and the thread turned onto a different topic. lol. So I did delete quite a few posts.
Anyone have anything else to say about hate crimes? I don't really at the moment.
This was interesting reading through. Had to laugh though, because halfway through somebody asked a completely random question and the thread turned onto a different topic. lol. So I did delete quite a few posts.
Anyone have anything else to say about hate crimes? I don't really at the moment.
Agreed. Not a hate crime. More like.... speaking up for what you believe is right.
...Speaking out for your beliefs can't be considered a hate crime, can it?
...Speaking out for your beliefs can't be considered a hate crime, can it?
PRISON? What about when people speak against Christians? I don't see people throwing THEM into prison. They bring up "Freedom of Speech", etc. But apparently Christians don't have that 'privilege' anymore.
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(Sorry, Ann. But you didn't miss much, just some random bits of conversation that didn't really have that much to do with HP.)
Disagreeing with a life style is different than vandalizing a person's home because of what they are. So yes, being against gays can be a hate crime.
what do you mean by "being against"? it's not a crime to believe/think something...
crime /krīm/
Noun
An action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.
Illegal activities: "the victims of crime".
Synonyms
misdeed - offence - offense - felony - delinquency - sin
^that's a definition
vandalism PERIOD is a hate crime, whether targeted at homosexuals or people of other race, or just a next door neighbour that you hate.
Ann wrote: "what do you mean by "being against"? it's not a crime to believe/think something..."Believing in something is not a hate crime, but what you do with those feelings is.
