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Feb 23, 2013 05:00AM
I think its Until death do us part was his story. I don't remeber the book too ha:D I think Espereta was his wife idk if I got the right spelling:)
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Off by one T, Louise but you got the novella down pact. ;) And what in particular grinds at ya about Velkan? I have to say for myself their story in general fell a bit flat for me. I mean I thought it would be something a bit more fascinating given she was Vlad's daughter and all that. But in a weird way if I'm remembering it correctly, didn't it read more like a paranormal version of Romeo and Juliet?
I never cared for Arikos at all! Couldn't stand him and that's the only book I can say I truly didn't like!
I think it's funny that the only reason he fell is cause some chick gave him a bj, lol. Immature of me I know but still a bit of a hoot.
Dhfan4life wrote: "I think it's funny that the only reason he fell is cause some chick gave him a bj, lol. Immature of me I know but still a bit of a hoot."lol Dhfan4life:D
Bahahaha Dhfan. Yeah I didnt really care for Arikos but then again I don't really care for the dream hunter characters except for Xypher but he's also half demon. I love the idea and backstories behind the dream hunters tho, they just need better characters. To be fair, they are learning to connect more with their emotions since they've been without them for forever
I'd have to go through my books for specific examples, but I found myself really not liking Abigail.
Haha, what? Have to imagine that had to be one heck of good job she did for him to say the least. ;) I mean I've heard the dark side has cookies but heck they must have a whole lot more for him to jump ship from the good side that fast lol.I agree Shari. I sort of liked V'Aian in the first novella with a dream-hunter in it and Xypher. But some of the others in between, save for maybe Solin sometimes. I just can't get into that much. Great concept but not being fully realized right now.
Abigail is definitely a point of contention for most Emily. Seemed like in a past life she was a point of contention as well too.
Dhfan4life wrote: "Abigail is definitely a point of contention for most Emily. Seemed like in a past life she was a point of contention as well too ..."The girl just can't catch a break in any life!
Another character that I didn't enjoy much was Alexion (Sins of the Night). I felt that he was seriously one dimensional. He lacked too much depth for me to actually be able to relate with and/or sympathize with in any way. Interesting that Acheron saved him and made him into this..thing, but there just wasn't enough.
Otherwise I don't find much contention with any of the characters that Kenyon creates - I know, how boring!
That's a interesting point Emily about Ias. I think the only reason she didn't go too much in-depth with him cause he is more of a basic solider type of character. That lived a dramatically simple life. Kind of like your average Greek joe from way back when. So he sort of made a smoother transition from solider to first set of Dark-hunters to Ash's minion as well. So kind of don't need much personality when you are made to just do a particular job and not ask questions so to speak.
It was Ashs bad concience that made him turn Ias into the Alexion (prosecutor, judge and executioner). If not for him he would still be a DH. As he convinced him to put his faith into his love (she turned out to not love him as much as she should have as she loved someone else), he cursed him to be a shade (total agony in a lifeless state). He couldn't live with that so he took him on. The reason he is two dimensional is because he is not alive. It is more a ghost state that he shares now with his mate Danger. I liked them, although I do not find this ghostlike state very interesting.
Yes, that is all true as well Manuela. I was just saying from a role perspective and who Ias was based on his personality. Heck even how he was likely was trained too. Being a solider and following a leader. Ash's guilt and what happened to Ias just helped him join another team and be a henchman for Ash too. Good point though on the shade state. Really hard to gain much personality when you haven't lived too much of a real life save for a very brief time. And even the life he did live with Ash, Uri and Simi before getting with Danger, still didn't open him up to very many experiences I don't think to really flesh out who he was.
Ren and Kateri.Time Untime is the only dark hunter book that I don't like.
Care to elaborate Dark Fairy?
I couldn't connect with the characters, neither the history. I got the feeling that the book was a filling, that was written hurriedly to cover up a theme that was in fashion ( the end of the world ). I had been excited about the idea that the book be based in the American mythologies, but when I finished reading the book I felt disappointed. Time Untime is the only book of the series that I read just one time and remember little of the history. (My language is Spanish, so I apologize for my English and any misspelling that I had)
No problem on your spelling and I read you loud and clear. As for your thoughts, I would have to say that you make a good point about the whole Mayan calendar thing. Although I thought it was rather interesting that she addressed it where I don't think most other authors have before. At least not in the romance genre. And I think too given some of the history where American Indians are concerned, it is always going to be a for it or not for it sort of thing as it's not typically most culture so can't really relate so easily. So yea, I think in one fashion or another this is definitely going to be a either or book for the series like you said.
Okay so least favorite characters I would say for me are Abigail and Tory.Abigail killed dark-hunters yet was never punish for it. She was responsible for sending hunters to that grey world were they suffer yet she gets to live happily forever and not pay for what she did.
rTory I am sorry but is extremely annoying to me. I skip every part were she has lines. I feel she has turn Ash into someone I don't really enjoy and I just do not feel any chemistry between her and Ash. I do not get the flutters in my tummy when they are together the way I did when Artie and Ash were together.
And about Artie let me just say I am a HUGE Artie fan and I feel everyone will understand her better when we get her book. If Styxx deserves a book then Artie does as well, remember Kenyon says that Ash's view is just his point of view we need to see others view to better understand the full picture.
Yeah I'm with you on Abigail, Adoore. In all honesty I understand she didnt know any better (at first) because her so called family had her believing that DHs were evil and they killed indiscriminately and left out vital information about the apollites and daimons. My thing is she never once questioned them before Sundown. She never sought this information herself. She followed blindly. Love my daddy but if he started telling me to knock off people, Imma interrogate him like a suspect in a holding room with a cop. I wanna know everything and then imma check sources cause dont nobody got time for a guilty conscience. If she was going around killing Were-Hunters the way she was killing DHs Savitar wouldnt of let her got away with that lol
I didn't actually have a problem with Abigail. I understand why people think she should've questioned her family, but she was being told DHs were the enemy since she was 4. Besides that, they did kill her adopted family's people & she had no reason to think a DH didn't kill her parents since the killer was disguised as Sundown the night her parents were murdered. It made sense to me that she would believe the people who raised her.
When Kyrian kept reliving his death and crucifiction I kept wondering where the damn dream hunters were.
Good point Lasher. Although for the most part I think they weren't there as the arrangement between them and the DHs is to help them heal a bit more easily. But some psychological drama can't always heal that easily.
Madoc was originally assigned to Kyrian as punishment for what he did to Arik in Dream Hunters
But yes psychological damage after centuries isnt so easily healed.
I really need to read the dream hunters books. I feel left out
The Dream Hunter books arent my favorite in the DH universe but they do have valuable information about other Gods/pantheons and beings
Yep, Shari is right. Hella great concept for them on SK's website, but in actual book format, not so much.
*****Caution spoiler***** I agree Dinique! I was really mad because it wasn't even Valerius's fault. It was his grandfathers. And not only that but he seen Kyrian kill Val's grandpa when he was 5! FIVE!!! I was mad at them for being horrible to him. But I love them all.
@Dinique and Carlena, I felt the same with you both about Valerius! I had defended him on the DH site before cos everyone thought he was the one who tortured Kyrian which was not cos it was his grandfather who made the act, grrr and hating Kyrian for putting the blame all over to Val only he was 5 years old when it happened:( *TEAM VALERIUS*:))
YA Louise! I think I'm gonna make "Team Valerius" shirts! LolObviously those people didn't read the darn book or else they would know their dark hunter from their daimon. Geez, some people. Lol.
I am in Team VALERIUS too, on the backside I'd love to have
the beast in a man - VANE
Thanks Carlena :)
Great points ladies. I'll add a few of my own too. First being that emotions often times have no logic. So although I have grown to like Val the jr. vs. his grand daddy. I still see where Kyrian was coming from. He lost not only his life to the grand daddy, but his home, his family, and the cherry on top was his wife that was used then kicked to the curb (although I still love that bit of karmic justice for someone like her). And to somewhat move on from that, only to have the grand son turn out to be a physical duplicate of all that loss can really set ya back. Even if it wasn't his fault directly.Second point, we can't forget that most of the other DH's over some of the books have mentioned how truly atrocious Romans in general have been to them. From taking over Celtic tribes, running through Amazons, etc. through out history. So I think too that is why so many of the other DH's couldn't stand Val either. He was equal parts arrogant at first AND being part of a group that took down other cultures so easily and still thought they were the rulers of the known world. So not too hard to see why the others weren't so friendly toward Val. I think they might have forgiven him a bit more over time at first if he didn't look down his nose on them at first.
Alas, DH you make great points. Having a degree in history, I know how bad the Romans actually were. And in the end, if I remember correctly, Val was betrayed by his brothers NOT the other DHs or their kin. And you're right Valerius did look down his nose. But I also think that that was part of his raising and part his way of staying strong.
Yea, I give him his points for using the arrogant facade for staying strong. I'm glad too that he turned it back on that sick SOB that was his father.
Ugh his father, I hate him. What he did to Zarek was unforgivable. The ass.
It's so funny in Zarek's book I just hated Val so much for what was done to him then you get to Val's and you find out why and my heart goes to him as well.I love how SK can do that, especially Stryker's book, when I started it in my mindset I thought no way was I going to like him and somehow though he is still evil I could understand why.
Yes I love the way she gives you another perspective from a single moment.
Me too, because when I found out Styxx was getting a book I said no way will I feel anything but hate for him but after reading the excerpts she sucked me in LOL. I have a feeling I am going to need a huge box of Kleenex for this book.
lol I think everyone felt the same way and now our hearts are bleeding for him.
Definitely not, I don't think I could either not after reading their own stories it's really hard to hate them after that. Though not sure about Artemis she might have to do some major work there LOL
Artie is very redeemable look at the wonderful daughter she raised on her own.
Artemis *sighs* A part of me reallt hates her but to be honest theres only thing I hated about her. The abuse she put Ash through. Other than that I always though Artemis was one of the most beautifully flawed characters. Among characters who are heroic and selfless, she was selfish, an opportunist, a liar and I loved that but she has some good qualities. And in RL most people aren't that good anyway. I still don't forgive her right now but I don't quite hate her so much
That is very true, I can also say too when she helped Tori that made me swing a bit more her way.
She has a long road to redemption but she's trying :-)
Apollo and Zeus should die
Plus I can say I do love how she gets her phrases wrong it cracks me up everytime.
Ray (warrior of randomness) XP wrote: "Apollo and Zeus should die"Ditto bwahahaha:D I think the Author made some pity past for Apollo on the next book Styxx...but I won't be swayed by it:))
I honestly don't think I would be swayed by it either but you never know SK is very good at it.
I don't particular like Apollo but he is kind of related to Ash (if only by being reborn to a human mother). (view spoiler)Gods usually die when they have no more worshippers, that is a very slow death, I assume that is why weapons were created that could kill them. I think most of the really bad ones deserve a slow and agonising death but to make sure they are really gone and don't create any more havoc to the human population they should be put down quickly, but only the really mean ones!
Manuela wrote: "I don't particular like Apollo but he is kind of related to Ash (if only by being reborn to a human mother). [spoilers removed]Gods usually die when they have no more worshippers, that is a very s..."
pssst *whisper* Manu, Apollo is just Ash's brother-in-law, they are not likely related:)
I actually never got into Ravyn's story. I couldn't get it as a book, so I listened to the audio book - maybe it was because of that, but I in a way I couldn't wait to finish the story and move on. I really dislike Apollo, but then there are quite a few of the gods (greek and atlantean) that I don't think much of. Artemis is a hard one - I think you have to be a bit wacked after living with a twin like Apollo for such a long time...Stryker and his wife and daughter - the book wasn't bad, but he wasn't a character I was ever interested in reading more about, so his story was more a must read than want to read.
