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My only evidence is that the August Personage of Jade is bound by rules, just as a player in a game, only in this case the figures on the board can think for themselves. He must have a keen insight into human behavior.

The Chinese mythology presented here certainly avoids the old omnipotent-deity/free-will conundrum which plagues most monotheistic traditions, since (1) Jade is not the only God around and (2) he ain't even close to omnipotent. However, there's no avoiding the contention that the whole quest is a set-up. The kids get sick, Fainting Maid murdered, Miser Shen slain, all in order for Jade to get his favorite daughter-in-law back.
I excuse it on the basis of narratology: everything in this book is a smoking Chekhov's Gun, waiting to be trotted out in the final acts. the structure is brilliant. But your mileage may vary, particularly if you're a big proponent of self-determination.

Honestly, there were SO many coincidences piling up, it was refreshing to see a literal "hand of god" element used to cleverly explain them. And I think every character had legitimate reasons to follow the paths they did, so it rarely felt like their decision-making had been unnaturally altered.
Personally I enjoyed how Ma the Grub and Pawnbroker Fang kept showing up at just the right time at just the right time.
It may have been divine intervention that put them in the right spot, but if they weren't truly horrible people they might not have worked so well as a distraction. There is a bit of free will involved.
Now if they suddenly started doing stuff out of character (like looking out for anyone but themselves), then maybe I'd buy into their being no free will at all.
It may have been divine intervention that put them in the right spot, but if they weren't truly horrible people they might not have worked so well as a distraction. There is a bit of free will involved.
Now if they suddenly started doing stuff out of character (like looking out for anyone but themselves), then maybe I'd buy into their being no free will at all.
This is the payoff, for me. The structure of this book is exquisite. Every little detail in that opening chapters, the ones many readers here in the forums found so boring, gets paid off at the end. The placement of Dragon's Pillow, the children's riddle, Henpecked Ho's clay fragments, the Dickensian coincidences which lead Master Li & #10 back to their companions over and over...all wrapped up in a tidy package.
HOWEVER: this does necessitate a little cosmological fudging on the part of Barry Hughart (or the August Personage of Jade, if you want to read this diagetically rather than didactically). To whit: "there are no accidents in the great way of Tao." If all these coincidences and plot devices were directed from Heaven, where's the free will? Is fate or karma in charge of the quest all along?
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