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I'll try to remember to report back on how that goes down with Bethany in Styxx. I'm fuzzy on that since it's been almost a year since I read it.I wouldn't be where I am and who I am without what happened. All of Ash's wisdom about how our pasts shape us is SO true. My writing has a depth now that it wouldn't have if I wasn't a survivor. It's very rare now that I think about it, but it's very definitely a part of me.
I'm sure our resident librarian Charlotte will help us recall too. ;)And that makes you a truly amazing woman Rachel. Cause it's not our falls that define us, but that we get up and keep pushing forward to really make it to that other side that makes us even stronger and even more determined than ever to be a survivor.
Thanks.I do sometimes wonder how I'd feel about the DH and League worlds if I wasn't a survivor. I find something in each character that I can connect with on an emotional level. I'd never had that happen to me until I met Nykyrian in Born of Night.
No probs.That would be interesting to know as well. I mean I'm not a survivor of much other than the occasional skinned knee for the most part. But I don't know, I think on some level my capacity to empathize and relate even if on a level of how some characters have felt rather betrayed by their nearest and dearest, still makes it pretty easy for me to relate and enjoy these books so well. Cause there is a truth to them that I think many people can relate to if they really took a moment to see it.
And not just couch it as being another cheesy, over drawn, too many characters romance series that is just too daunting to understand. As I'm sure most see it, which is kind of sad.
I'm not naturally an empathetic person, or someone who finds it easy to sympathize with others. Having an emotional connection with a fictional creation is a pretty big deal for me. Every member of my family, and every single close friend I have, will be the first to tell you I have no tact.
Rachel wrote: "I'm not naturally an empathetic person, or someone who finds it easy to sympathize with others. Having an emotional connection with a fictional creation is a pretty big deal for me. Every member of..."Then I guess we are related some how Rachel. I sometimes actually have felt the way you do as well. I mean I like to try and be more empathetic with each interaction I have with people. But it's still kind of tricky for me, as I've just not had similar experiences as others have. I was raised differently and definitely have a unique out look on things. And older I get, the more blunt I get sometimes with people. And yet I try and be as tactful as I can be. Unlike my mom, she just flat out says stuff rather you want to hear it or not unfortunately lol.
Dhfan4life wrote: "I'm sure our resident librarian Charlotte will help us recall too. ;)And that makes you a truly amazing woman Rachel. Cause it's not our falls that define us, but that we get up and keep pushing ..."
Okay, so resident librarian making yet another appearance ... XD
That's exactly how it went down, Dhfan, with Bethany and her mother. They came in at the very end, after Apollymi had blasted everyone else; Bethany was the very last one that was blasted.
I want to say that SK did know about Bethany for quite some time; she admits that she knew some of Styxx's story (but not all of it) before she wrote it. If nothing else, I'd say at the very least that she knew about Bethany when the first CON book was written and Nekoda appeared on the scene. And I'd even go so far as to say that she knew about Bethany even earlier than that (at least as early as KOTN). Plus, if you read really, really closely, there are subtle hints about Bethany in The Guardian and Time Untime.
But that's just my speculation. =)
Yay, my memory finally remembers something for a change!!!Ooohh might have to go back and check that out about Beth. Cause before CON and Styxx's book I was so focused on the presented couple that I wasn't aware of other deets.
Thanks for sharing that, Rachel; it helps me to understand about the fear. And its good to know you're a strong girl now! XOXO
I'm glad it helped, Cindi. Being a survivor definitely helps me see Ash and Styxx in a different light.
Myst wrote: "Wasn't part of the reason some of the 'clients' were so hard on Ash was due to his allure which somewhat passed to Styxx in the womb, but Styxx was out of their reach and Ash wasn't?We didn't see..."
Ash's allure was because he was touched by desire when his aunt, whose name currently eludes me, handed him to his mother, I don't believe Styxx was touched by desire but i could be wrong
I thought the whole thing with Styxx and Ash was that people wanted Styxx because he was a prince (kinda like ppl want and desire their fsvourite celebrities) and Ash was the closes they could get to Styxx. It didn't help that Ash had that sexual allure. After ppl meet Ash, I think it kinda bounced their desire back and forth between Styxx and him until ppl couldn't separate them in their minds. I'm sure that's why thats a little bit part of the reason their uncle went after Styxx as well. A lil bit but mostly he was just a sick pervert
I want to say Epithymia admitted to touching Styxx too at some point, but danged if I can remember where in the 800+ pages she admitted it...Styxx was able to protect himself somewhat, and he was a prince which made touching him punishable by death. It's part of why he was so torn up about what Estes did to him.
Yeah, I think Epi touched him twice ... once at birth, when she helped deliver the twins (she admitted to Bethany that she planned to be the one to deliver the baby/babies), and then later when he was a POW of Atlantis.
Wait, didn't someone write a long post about this. You, Charlotte? Cause I thought we had talked about it at one point or another...
Shari-amor wrote: "I thought the whole thing with Styxx and Ash was that people wanted Styxx because he was a prince (kinda like ppl want and desire their fsvourite celebrities) and Ash was the closes they could get ..."But mostly I was feeling this way about it too originally as well. Hence so many of the King's own advisors and such was going to the brothels and such to have at Ash too. Cause he was the "easier" one to access. Thinking of touching Styxx would get you dead in seconds. Even if they lusted for him too.
Rachel wrote: "I want to say Epithymia admitted to touching Styxx too at some point, but danged if I can remember where in the 800+ pages she admitted it...Styxx was able to protect himself somewhat, and he was..."
That and remember how much prior to any abuse started. To some extent Styxx liked and trusted Estes. So that made it even worse for him.
:-( Dammit y'all. Now I'm sad all over again about what Styxx and Ash went through.
And you wonder why I try and duck and dive this particular thread most times. Great book but damn the emotions are beyond real for sure with this book amongst the others.
Dhfan4life wrote: "Wait, didn't someone write a long post about this. You, Charlotte? Cause I thought we had talked about it at one point or another..."LOL! Yeah, I wrote a mini-novel about this ... in this thread, as a matter of fact. (I actually had to look. XD )
Someday, I might take some of these super-long posts I wrote, and turn them into essays. Or not, that'd be a lot of work, lol.
Anyway ... once again, excellent points made here. I do agree that the destruction of Styxx's trust in Estes made it that much worse for him.
I thought Beth came after things were destroyed? Cause wasn't she coming back to the temple to talk to/confront her mom about something? Then look around and realize nobody is there, and then Apollymi yacks at her for a bit then turns her into a statue too and places her kid into somebody else?