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message 2151: by Critterbee❇ (new)

Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Tadiana - I had a question about copyright. Some books are in the public domain, but what about the cover art? For example, if a version of Frankenstein was printed with a cover that had not been used before, and was not a public domain image in 1950, would that mean that the cover art was protected? If artwork was used on a 1890 cover, would that artwork automatically be in the public domain? How is cover art the same or different from book, in regards to protection?


message 2152: by Susan in NC (last edited Sep 15, 2018 07:33AM) (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Teresa wrote: "Great to hear from you Susan. You had us all worried. Keep safe."

Sorry, I am trying to do more to help out, so I made Bolognese sauce for dinner - we love it, makes a hearty dinner in case we lose power, and I’m tired of eating take-away food! And my physical therapist said I could do more, as long as I don’t overdo it - so I figured I’d do some cooking! Can’t walk outside, so dreary and rainy! Can’t complain, still have power - and books!


message 2153: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Teresa wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Here in Ireland we loose power if the wind rises above average. I suppose we don't think this can happen in a country like America. We see it as being ready for anyth..."

Have you a Toll-gate nearby? ;)


message 2154: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments 😄


message 2155: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments My laugh was at your Lady Teresa and her fog, Critterbee, not your cooking, Susan!


message 2156: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments No, I know that, dear lady! You’re too nice to be snarky! I just felt bad that I got caught up in what I was doing and left you all hanging, worrying we were sitting here in the dark with wet feet, while we were stuffing our gullets with pasta!

It’s a favorite of my husband and son, and I wanted a bit of a celebration meal - got through the first day of Florence intact, and cooked dinner with just a leeetle help needed (Patrick chopped the onions, Todd boiled the pasta and served up). I’m getting stronger, it’s just taking a looooong time - I liked serving up a good dinner for years, and suddenly I get so tired I can’t do it. It’s frustrating!


message 2157: by Susan in NC (last edited Sep 15, 2018 07:54AM) (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments ❇Critterbee wrote: "Tadiana - I had a question about copyright. Some books are in the public domain, but what about the cover art? For example, if a version of Frankenstein was printed with a cover that had not been u..."
Oh, good point, especially because sometimes they reissue an older book with “iconic” cover art - don’t know if that’s to create a retro vibe, or just because the original cover art has become famous (like The Godfather, with the marionette logo in the name...) The Godfather by Mario Puzo


message 2158: by Critterbee❇ (new)

Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pasta!

Glad that you weren't affected by the power outages. And I am sure you will be cooking again in no time. It is nice to have helpers in the kitchen. Hugs!


message 2159: by Susan in NC (last edited Sep 15, 2018 08:12AM) (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments ❇Critterbee wrote: "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pasta!

Glad that you weren't affected by the power outages. And I am sure you will be cooking again in no time. It is nice to have helpers in the kitchen. Hugs!"


Thank you - and yes, it is! Hugs right back to you, sweetie, stay dry!


message 2160: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments I'm glad you have competent help! My husband doesn't cook, although he's finally managing a bit of BBQ. He tends to wander and that's a bad thing in a chef!


message 2161: by Teresa (new)

Teresa | 2186 comments I was always a tomboy growing up so I'd probably be the smuggler :-)


message 2162: by Critterbee❇ (new)

Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Lady Teresa Fitzwilloughby-Weatherby de Eresby looked out from the window of her bedchamber at the thick mass of grey fog inching forward up from the tumultuous sea. Her grey eyes flashed towards the forest, seeking the tiny signal light which would indicate whether her night would be spent tucked up in her cozy rooms, or in furtive stealthiness among the wave-battered caves hidden below the cliff edge...


message 2163: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Karlyne wrote: "I'm glad you have competent help! My husband doesn't cook, although he's finally managing a bit of BBQ. He tends to wander and that's a bad thing in a chef!"

That could lead to a lot of singed burgers...my son is a good cook, but not a great cleaner- up, and I don’t want him adding to dad’s workload!


message 2164: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Teresa wrote: "I was always a tomboy growing up so I'd probably be the smuggler :-)"

Lol!


message 2165: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Susan in NC wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "I'm glad you have competent help! My husband doesn't cook, although he's finally managing a bit of BBQ. He tends to wander and that's a bad thing in a chef!"

That could lead to a l..."


He's still famous for his briquettes. He called them hamburgers.


message 2166: by Teresa (new)

Teresa | 2186 comments ❇Critterbee wrote: "Lady Teresa Fitzwilloughby-Weatherby de Eresby looked out from the window of her bedchamber at the thick mass of grey fog inching forward up from the tumultuous sea. Her grey eyes flashed towards t..."

Let me know the release date Critterbee. I'll be pre ordering :-) :-)


message 2167: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Karlyne wrote: "Susan in NC wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "I'm glad you have competent help! My husband doesn't cook, although he's finally managing a bit of BBQ. He tends to wander and that's a bad thing in a chef!"

Th..."

Well, better than the alternative- my brother, bless him, is in the macho-fire good school of grilling, using lots of lighter fluids, lots of flare-ups = bloody chicken🤢


message 2168: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Teresa wrote: "❇Critterbee wrote: "Lady Teresa Fitzwilloughby-Weatherby de Eresby looked out from the window of her bedchamber at the thick mass of grey fog inching forward up from the tumultuous sea. Her grey ey..."

I think we all will! ;)


message 2169: by Karlyne (last edited Sep 15, 2018 10:13AM) (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Susan in NC wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "Susan in NC wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "I'm glad you have competent help! My husband doesn't cook, although he's finally managing a bit of BBQ. He tends to wander and that's a bad thing..."

Yuk!!! I have let him graduate to steak and pork chops, but I keep a vigilant eye on him!


message 2170: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Karlyne wrote: "Susan in NC wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "Susan in NC wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "I'm glad you have competent help! My husband doesn't cook, although he's finally managing a bit of BBQ. He tends to wander an..."

There you go!


message 2171: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Teresa wrote: "❇Critterbee wrote: "Lady Teresa Fitzwilloughby-Weatherby de Eresby looked out from the window of her bedchamber at the thick mass of grey fog inching forward up from the tumultuous sea. Her grey ey..."

Me, too! Can't wait for where the dashing pirate comes in!


message 2172: by Jenny (new)

Jenny H (jenny_norwich) | 1210 comments Mod
❇Critterbee wrote: "Tadiana - I had a question about copyright. Some books are in the public domain, but what about the cover art? For example, if a version of Frankenstein was printed with a cover that had not been u..."

It depends what jurisdiction you're under, of course, but generally artwork has the same copyright as the written word. Though in the case of book covers which have been commissioned it's likely to be the publisher that owns the copyright rather than the artist.


message 2173: by Critterbee❇ (new)

Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Jenny wrote: "It depends what jurisdiction you're under, of course, but generally artwork has the same copyright as the written word. Though in the case of book covers which have been commissioned it's likely to be the publisher that owns the copyright rather than the artist. "

Thanks for the info, Jenny! So, I take that to mean that original cover art from a book in the public domain would likely also be in the public domain.


message 2174: by Teresa (new)

Teresa | 2186 comments Karlyne wrote: "Teresa wrote: "❇Critterbee wrote: "Lady Teresa Fitzwilloughby-Weatherby de Eresby looked out from the window of her bedchamber at the thick mass of grey fog inching forward up from the tumultuous s..."

The smuggler Karlyne!!!! I'll be sending on my description to Critterbee so she'll have the female smuggler just right:-) Your under pressure now Critterbee!! :-)


message 2175: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Teresa wrote: "Karlyne wrote: "Teresa wrote: "❇Critterbee wrote: "Lady Teresa Fitzwilloughby-Weatherby de Eresby looked out from the window of her bedchamber at the thick mass of grey fog inching forward up from ..."

But, don't worry! I'm sure she'll have a rapscallion pirate on scene soon, too.


message 2176: by Teresa (new)

Teresa | 2186 comments :-) :-) That can be you Karlyne.


message 2177: by QNPoohBear (new)

QNPoohBear | 1638 comments All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication. If the work was created, but not published, before 1978, the copyright lasts for the life of the author plus 70 years.
https://www.arsny.com/copyright-basics/


message 2178: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Teresa wrote: ":-) :-) That can be you Karlyne."

I could do pirate... But I'd probably end up cook!


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ QNPoohBear wrote: "All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication. If the work was c..."

Thanks for this useful information QnPB.

One thing I heard at the GH conference was that countries with relatively short copyright like Australia are being lobbied by the big publishing companies to increase the period.

Anyway I have good news I want to share. I had to get one of my hearing aids repaired. I was nearly due for another hearing test, so the audiologist tested my hearing. And tested it again. My right ear has gone down slightly but there is a significant improvement in my left ear. She even asked me if I wanted my left hearing aid turned down! :)


message 2180: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Carol ꧁꧂ wrote: "QNPoohBear wrote: "All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication..."

Good news, Carol! Always assuming you actually want to hear what's going on in the world around you...


message 2181: by Teresa (new)

Teresa | 2186 comments Good for you Carol!! Have to agree with Karlyne. Not much good news around now.


message 2182: by Critterbee❇ (new)

Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments That's wonderful Carol, and a nice surprise!


message 2183: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Carol ꧁꧂ wrote: "QNPoohBear wrote: "All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication..."

That’s great!


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ I'm not sure that longer periods of copyright are a good thing. Jen Koestler was dead against extending the Australian one (she is Australian) She said why should families who may never even have known the author benefit from the author's gifts?

& Christie's heir certainly doesn't seem to care about much other than making money.

We are lucky that our beloved GH's family do care.

My sister is coming a day early - tomorrow. Yay!!!! So I may not be around much for the next week or so. :)


message 2185: by Critterbee❇ (new)

Critterbee❇ (critterbee) | 2786 comments Enjoy her visit! It is Sister Time!

And yes, we are very lucky that GH's family cares. Thank you, wherever you are.


message 2186: by Nick (new)

Nick Imrie (nickimrie) | 479 comments Carol ꧁꧂ wrote: "QNPoohBear wrote: "All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the date of publication..."

Congrats on the ear!


Carol She's So Novel꧁꧂ Nick wrote: "Carol ꧁꧂ wrote: "QNPoohBear wrote: "All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain. Works published after 1922, but before 1978 are protected for 95 years from the da..."

Thanks I was talking to friend today who had heard of a similar case. With hearing aids, you get used to hearing again, so you are more likely to notice sounds is the theory. Sort of like getting the muscles (don't know if that would be the right term) in your ear working again maybe?


message 2188: by Kim (new)

Kim Kaso | 511 comments I recently joined the Elizabeth Taylor Reading Project (not the actress ;-)). I collected all the Virago Modern Classic authors when they were put in sales bins, junior officers in the Navy with voracious reading habits needed to acquire as many books as possible for what little could be spared $-wise to support reading habits—and I dipped in and out of them, but this will be a nice way to read her entire collection. I am catching up, it started in August, so I am flying through At Mrs. Lippincote’s. It reminds me of life as a Navy wife (I often felt divide in two by serving as an officer and being a spouse & mother), we lived in other people’s homes with other people’s possessions & furniture, especially while stationed in England, and I am identifying with aspects of that, but also identify with the husband. Palladian is September’s read, then A View from the Harbor.


message 2189: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments So funny, Kim! I just saw a blurb about Elizabeth Taylor (not the actress - haha) on Facebook this morning. I had not heard of her, by the way. Sometime the internet weirds me out with its so-called "coincidences"...


message 2190: by Barb in Maryland (new)

Barb in Maryland | 816 comments Hey Karlyne
Are y'all really going to get snow this weekend?
Summer isn't quite through with us yet--we are headed back to hot and humid after 2 nice cool (but cloudy) days. I am ready for real autumn! I should not!! be running my A/C at all at this time of year. {{grumble, gripe, grumble, gripe...}}


message 2191: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments Ha! Barb, we got some yesterday! Just up on the mountain tops, though, about 10 miles as the crow flies, elevation about 6000-8300. We're 3100', so it's coming fast. Such a relief to get a serious drenching of cold rain. Chances of snow at our house next week - it usually waits for Halloween...

So sorry about your heat! I have to mention I'm wearing a flannel shirt...😁


message 2192: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Lucky duck! Florence, along with dumping obscene amounts of rain, also left us with a bumper crop of nasty mosquitoes! Real autumn weather can’t come soon enough...


message 2193: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments When the smoke cleared a few weeks ago and the temps dropped, I remembered why I think I'm lucky to live here!

We have pine beetles, aka stink bugs, for a couple weeks in the fall. They're ugly, but they don't bite...


message 2194: by Nick (new)

Nick Imrie (nickimrie) | 479 comments Karlyne wrote: "We have pine beetles, aka stink bugs, for a couple weeks in the fall. They're ugly, but they don't bite"

Do they... stink? Funny, I'd never thought of insects having smells.


message 2195: by Barb in Maryland (new)

Barb in Maryland | 816 comments Oh, yeah. We've got stink bugs, too. They can emit a rather noticeable odor if they feel threatened. The arrival of cooler weather sends them indoors. I usually just pick them off the wall or curtains with a tissue and then quickly crush them. Other people vacuum them up. Either way usually eliminates the stink.
As Karlyne pointed out--they don't bite. But they sure are annoying.


message 2196: by Nick (new)

Nick Imrie (nickimrie) | 479 comments Barb in Maryland wrote: "Oh, yeah. We've got stink bugs, too. They can emit a rather noticeable odor if they feel threatened. The arrival of cooler weather sends them indoors. I usually just pick them off the wall or curta..."

Well! Today I learnt!


message 2197: by Teresa (new)

Teresa | 2186 comments Nick, I was thinking the same thing and thinking to myself however much I moan about my country after reading that, I'm glad I live in it!!


message 2198: by Karlyne (new)

Karlyne Landrum | 3895 comments They smell rather skunky and they fly, too, and when you smack them their legs fall off. All in all, rather entertaining bugs...😁 But we only get a few, and anything that doesn't have 8 legs and bites is fine with me!


message 2199: by Nick (new)

Nick Imrie (nickimrie) | 479 comments Karlyne wrote: "anything that doesn't have 8 legs and bites is fine with me!"

Amen to that!


message 2200: by Susan in NC (new)

Susan in NC (susanncreader) | 4143 comments Barb in Maryland wrote: "Oh, yeah. We've got stink bugs, too. They can emit a rather noticeable odor if they feel threatened. The arrival of cooler weather sends them indoors. I usually just pick them off the wall or curta..."

Yup, same here - we were always warned by native Tarheels, “don’t smush ‘em, releases the stink!” Hence, the vacuuming.


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