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Why Is Every Vampire Book A "Twilight Rip-off"?
When people say vampire books are rip-offs of twilight, I just say, "Yeah, well then Twilight is a rip-off of Bram Stoker's Dracula."
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I find myself constently comparing vampire books to Twilight myself...true blood must be the only one i have not compared because of the vast differences and maybe there lies the way to solve this mess. making vampires not so indestructable as in twilight giving humans a fighting chance.
Claudia wrote: "When people say vampire books are rip-offs of twilight, I just say, "Yeah, well then Twilight is a rip-off of Bram Stoker's Dracula.""
Haha, yeah.
Haha, yeah.
Shaylynn wrote: "Ellie wrote: "I'm a self-published author of a vampire novel myself...and I cannot tell you how many times my book has been compared to Twilight. There are a few similarities, of course, but you'll..."Shaylynn, the book is called Fushion Night by Ellie A. Gray just in case you haven't found it yet.
It's impossible to "rip off" twilight for two reasons. 1. Ann Rice already established herself long long long ago as the master of the vampire novel, so if anyone is being "ripped off" by writing about vamps then it would be her, not Meyer. Or the author of Dracula, since that started the genre.
2. Meyer already ripped off several vamp novels and series when she wrote twilight. Literally, twilight was a direct mash up of various books that I had read years before. I couldn't find one single unique thing about her novel that hadn't already happened, exactly as she wrote/copied it, in other novels.
Things are always going to be compared to something else.It's how people get their barings.
I'm sick of people comparing vampire books to Twilight. I mean, Twilight is good, don't get me wrong. But, other vampire books that I've read are NOTHING like Twilight. The Morganville Vampires, for instance. Hell, they're even comparing non-vampire books to Twilight now.
Melanie wrote: "It's impossible to "rip off" twilight for two reasons. 1. Ann Rice already established herself long long long ago as the master of the vampire novel, so if anyone is being "ripped off" by writing..."
I know Twilight isn't as original as everyone claims, but what books did she rip off? You said there wasn't a single unique thing about Twilight, so what book had sparkling vampires? That's about the only unique part of Twilight I can think of, but I'd love to know if she copied that from another book.
Not all of them are rip offs if you pay attention some of the vampire books were written and published before twilight.
Deliriate wrote: "Therealbadkitty wrote: "Deliriate wrote: "Therealbadkitty wrote: "Teresa wrote: "And here's a list of the difference between a Twilight Vampire and a Real Vampire!Twilight Vs Real Vampires
Twili..."
Well to me they drink blood,they are affected by sunlight(regardless of HOW it effects them)and they are immortal so they're just as much vampires as any other book written about vampires. Is the vampire lore in this series poorly done? Well that's just a matter of opinion. I'm not trying to defend the books honor or anything I just don't get why people are blowing a fuse over the mythology in this book. And if someone worships vampires and sees them in a different way,than I'm happy for them,they can do whatever they want but this is a fictional story not a religious text.
Ellie wrote: "I'm a self-published author of a vampire novel myself...and I cannot tell you how many times my book has been compared to Twilight. There are a few similarities, of course, but you'll find some wit..."What's ur book called?
Olivia wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Not all of them are rip offs if you pay attention some of the vampire books were written and published before twilight."so which books is or is not a rip off?"
is Vampire Academy a rip off?
Olivia wrote: "Amanda wrote: "Not all of them are rip offs if you pay attention some of the vampire books were written and published before twilight."so which books is or is not a rip off?"
is Vampire Academy a rip off?
Funny. Anne Rice is my standard when it comes to vampire novels, not Twilight.
twilight made vampires seem lame. I mean some vampires such as Dracula still had chicks by his side and he sometimes was described as ugly.
I honestly feel that people will always hold Twilight high, especially to those that are fans. Chances are that they picked up Twilight as their first book with vampires so the impression that it had on them would last. Anything else that comes after just doesn't compare.Same with zombie genre, epic fantasy like LoTR and SOIAF series and whatever else people can even compare. Another solid example would be Battle Royale and The Hunger Games. While these two stories hold a similar premise, they are nothing else alike, in my opinion.
Therealbadkitty wrote: "Well to me they drink blood,they are affected by sunlight(regardless of HOW it effects them)and they are immortal so they're just as much vampires as any other book written about vampires. Is the vampire lore in this series poorly done? Well that's just a matter of opinion. I'm not trying to defend the books honor or anything I just don't get why people are blowing a fuse over the mythology in this book. And if someone worships vampires and sees them in a different way,than I'm happy for them,they can do whatever they want but this is a fictional story not a religious text."My two cents on this. Just because they do x and y, does not equal z. For example, can you describe a knife, a sword and a dagger? A blade with a handle can describe all three, but to what extent? This is how I feel when you guys accept the creatures in twilight as vampires.
It feels like everyone seems to apply this very thought with Twilight (or mythology in general). To me, they feel so utterly watered down that I can't even bare to see them as vampires anymore. Kind of like comparing chihuahuas to wolves.
I don't like how you guys use the excuse "it's a work of fiction, leave it alone". If it's a work of fiction that throws all basic logic and common sense then, sorry. I just can't accept that. Especially with the way Meyer failed to explain the science behind her vampires towards the end of the series.
Mandi wrote: "I can't even read any books about vampires anymore because they never live up to twilight. Twilight is the best book series around and no other vampire or wolf (which i hate even more) books can li..."Not trying to be mean, but you should give other vampire books a try. There are so many out there that are much better written, and are a much better story then the Twilight books. I've read all 4, enjoyed them, but I have read so many other vampire series that are much better. Try
for a YA series. Or try the vampire series by Frost, Sands, Hamilton, Rice, Ward, Briggs, Ivy, or Sparks. These are just a few vampire series out, and some of them have been out longer then the Twilight series.
Funny. I thought it was ripped off from The Vampire Diaries! :D
I LIKE Twilight, but the vampires seem too flawless. I mean, nobody's perfect!
Samantha wrote: "A self-published author I follow on Goodreads just made a post about this, and it got me thinking about it, too. Nowadays, every single vampire book will inevitably be compared to Twilight, despite..."I like Anne' Rice's and Bram Stoker's vamps but i don't know that they appeal to much to the young people these days, whereas "Twilight" draws in the younger set. For those who haven't read Bram Stoker please do so.
That's because Twilight is too ingrained in people's minds. Nothing should be compared to Twilight, for gods sake. But if you're so enmeshed with Twilight, everything you read is going to trigger a Twilight relation in some form or another. It could be as simple as the same freaking hair color as Edwards. Or the forests. Or the mention of a wolf's howl. But I can assure you, this does not mean Twilight is obviously superior because of the obsession so many teens have with it. Plus, it wasn't such an obsessed book until they made the movies.... wherein, people's real obsession is with the actors, not the story or the book at all.
You have a good point! I suppose it's because it created such a big ripple in the literature world, be it good or bad. I find that so wrong though! So many authors and so many vampire books (better ones, in my opinion) were written much before Twilight!
I think people who think all Vampire books are a rip-off of Twilight should read a Vampire book as they would if they had not read Twilight. Also, they should look at a book at what it is then what it seems like (a copy in their opinion).
Nikki wrote: "You have a good point! I suppose it's because it created such a big ripple in the literature world, be it good or bad. I find that so wrong though! So many authors and so many vampire books (better..."The ripple it created was good because it got so many vampire books out into the main area of bookstores, and so many better written vampire books got the opportunity because of the brilliant marketing people of the Twilight series.
Okay, put it this way, I like the Vampires on "The Lost Boys" with Keifer Sutherland and Jason Patric instead of that "One and Only" Sparkly Vampire, Edward.Have you noticed that Edward is the only one that Sparkles.
Yes, I have. And a lot of books get compared. IDK why.
I was just thinking about this as I read a review for A Shade of Vampire, many of the reviews were saying that is was another twilight, or that they almost didn't pick it up because of that fact that it was compared to twilight. Now I do like twilight and I was told about a series just over a year ago, they said that it was a more adult version of twilight. So, interested to see what it was I picked up the first book, Dark Lover. Now most everyone on Good Reads knows that series, the Black Dagger Brotherhood series. IT IS NOTHING LIKE TWILIGHT, at all, in any way shape or form. And it came out a month before twilight and is still pumping out books. We are on what number eleven or twelve now, not including the insiders guide. I like the Brotherhood series and picked it put only because it was mention to be like twilight but more adult, but I love the series because it is the total opposite of the series. I think people are just comparing these books to twilight because that is what is popular and when they compare books that are not even vampire books, that they are comparing the love triangle aspect of the book, not the sparkly vampire part.
I'll have to read those as soon as I'm old enough.
Paige wrote: "I was just thinking about this as I read a review for A Shade of Vampire, many of the reviews were saying that is was another twilight, or that they almost didn't pick it up because of that fact th..."I have read A Shade of Vampire and the Books that follow this Book. Afterall, it is a Series.
A Shade of Vampire IS NOTHING LIKE TWILIGHT,at all. There are no *Sparkly* Vampires at all. I promise you.
Sophia, the leading lady in the Book is way more Mature than Bella. She doesn't whine or gets all mopey and nothing compared to Bella.
If you haven't read A Shade of Vampire, you should.It is more Adult, but again, it is nothing like Twilight.
I LOVED the Series. Twilight was likable, but A Shade of Vampire way BETTER.
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are the Books. Read them when you get a chance. Then give me a Review. Let me know what you think of it.Again, it is WAY BETTER THAN TWILIGHT.
Teresa wrote: "Paige wrote: "I was just thinking about this as I read a review for A Shade of Vampire, many of the reviews were saying that is was another twilight, or that they almost didn't pick it up because o..."I will do that. I did not mean to say that it was like twilight, I just meant that a lot of people have said it is or isn't like it. However I do like twilight myself and don't mind the change in how a Vampire is in that book, I do prefer the normal vampire though, and always will. But I will read and welcome any change in the norm, as I will read most anything Fiction. LOL, As soon as I can get them I will read and get back to you.
Disclaimer
: I am responding strictly to the title of the thread..I have not read any of the previous comments.There have been vampire books for much longer than Ms. Meyer's series has been around. My generation and those before me, saw them as charismatic monsters - fearsome and fascinating.
Ms. Meyers decided to add her own twist, which technically is what we, as readers, would like all authors to do... give us something new and interesting, even with an old troupe.
Twilight isn't a masterpiece, but the story did improve with time. Books one an two were weak, but books three and four were pretty good.
Twilight spoke to the MG/YA crowd (Who, whether we want to accept it or not, drives our entertainment industry). Others saw that and wanted their piece of the pie, but not everyone has followed in her footsteps.
There are plenty of series with vampires that are nothing like Twilight - Dead Until Dark, Dark Lover, Dead Witch Walking, Clean Sweep, Soulless and from what I understand (I have not read this yet, myself) Glass Houses, to name a few. I am sure there are countless others as well, if readers are willing to look for them and give them a chance.
A funny thought about Stephanie Meyer's series is that it is similar to the Vampire Diaries series. If anything, people would think that Meyer's is a rip off of Vampire Diaries. In truth, a writer really has to go out of the way to make it a rip off of Meyer.
I think it's because some people have grown up with it, they don't know about the other vampire novels before Twilight.
What's the best vampire book to read? one where vampires actually are vampires.
Teresa wrote: "Paige wrote: "I was just thinking about this as I read a review for A Shade of Vampire, many of the reviews were saying that is was another twilight, or that they almost didn't pick it up because o..."That series looks good.
Tynan wrote: "What's the best vampire book to read? one where vampires actually are vampires."
You could try Vampire Academy. No sparkling, I promise.
You could try Vampire Academy. No sparkling, I promise.
Stephenie Meyer didn't invent vampires people...
What I want to know is why does it matter. Every story has an element that will resemble another, why is it so wrong that this story is like others. And as Bookworm said it, no Stephenie did not invent Vampires, she just made them different. There are only two differences that I really see with her vampires, one they don't sleep and can go into the sun, and so what they sparkle. Some say that Twilight could be a rip off of Vampire Diaries, which it could have influenced Stephenie's writing, or not, the only thing we know is what she tells us. And as no one complained or yelled copy cat at her book for having any resemblance to another book then why should it matter........
Samantha wrote: "A self-published author I follow on Goodreads just made a post about this, and it got me thinking about it, too. Nowadays, every single vampire book will inevitably be compared to Twilight, despite..."I fail to understand why ANYONE would compare a vampire book or movie to twilight. There have been many vampire books out way, way before twilight that were better written. Anne Rice for one has been writing about vampires for years.
Abii wrote: "One moment please:- Morganville Vampires
- Vampire Academy
- Vampire Diaries
- Evernight
- Vampire Kisses
- Dark Heart
- House of Night
- Chicagoland vampires
- The Den of Shadows
Your argument is..."
Anne Rice, Sherrilyn Kenyon, J.R. Ward have been writing books for YEARS.....yes, years before Meyer ever thought of her Twilight books. There are some similarities but nothing to base characters on from Twilight. If anything she borrowed from previous vampire books written by other authors.
Olivia wrote: "Brooke wrote: "Tynan wrote: "What's the best vampire book to read? one where vampires actually are vampires."
You could try Vampire Academy. No sparkling, I promise."
is that book th..."
A thousand times yes.
You could try Vampire Academy. No sparkling, I promise."
is that book th..."
A thousand times yes.
Paige wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Paige wrote: "I was just thinking about this as I read a review for A Shade of Vampire, many of the reviews were saying that is was another twilight, or that they almost didn't pick ..."A "NORMAL" Vampire would be more like Anne Rice's Vampires in "Interview With A Vampire" and "Lost Boys" with Keifer Sutherland and Jason Patric, which actually have Fangs.
Stepanie Meyer's Vampires have Sharp Teeth, not Fangs, which I still don't get. And where did Stephanie come up with the only "SHINY VAMPIRE" Edward, huh??????
Teresa wrote: "Paige wrote: "Teresa wrote: "Paige wrote: "I was just thinking about this as I read a review for A Shade of Vampire, many of the reviews were saying that is was another twilight, or that they almos..."Yeah there are more than just the differences I posted in one of my posts. And Stephenie only wrote the book because she had had a dream about the meadow scene and that is how she got started writing the book. She wrote it from that chapter in the meadow to the end and then went and did the beginning. She had only meant for herself and her sister to read the book in the first place and her sister talked her into sending it to see if it could get published.
Also on another point, really the only normal there really is for a vampire is as long as they drink blood and are immortal yet do have a way to kill them. As they are just fiction it really does not matter what anyone thinks they should be like.
Also for the person that stated that "Anne Rice, Sherrilyn Kenyon, J.R. Ward have been writing books for YEARS.....yes, years before Meyer ever thought of her Twilight books. There are some similarities but nothing to base characters on from Twilight. If anything she borrowed from previous vampire books written by other authors." That may be true, but from what I looked up JR Wards Dark lover the first of the Black dagger Brotherhood series, came out a month before Twilight did. So there was no way for Stephenie to base anything off of Wards book. But any time you read something about Vampires or anything for that matter you will get something that will seem familiar because most of the time something was influenced by what the author has previously read. Also one more thing before I finish, LJ Smith's Vampire Diaries first book came out in 1991, therefore anyone that says Twilight is a rip off of that it could have influences Meyers books, if she looked though them for references. She states in an interview that she was not much for vampire books to read before she wrote Twilight in the first place.
Angelica wrote: "Nuran wrote: "Pfft everything is just a rip off of the bible. Vampires, fallen angels, demons, paranormal fiction, all in the bible."vampires in the bible? are we talking about the same bible lol..."
I forgot in which part it says but it actually does say something along the lines of people shall not drink blood and talks about how blood is a life source.
As USA TODAY, The Nation's No. 1 Newspaper, puts it, Stephenie Meyer is "one of those rare success stories that inspire unpublished writers."In 2003, Meyer was a 29-year-old mother of three in suburban Phoenix, Arizona. She had no thought of writing a book. Then one night she had a vivid dream of a teenage couple with one unusual problem the young man was a vampire. Meyer decided to write down her dream. Within six months, she had turned her notes into a novel, Twilight, and secured a $750,000 deal with a publisher.
Published in 2005, Twilight soon landed on a New York Times best seller list. Three sequels New Moon, Eclipse, and Breaking Dawn thrilled teen and adult fans alike. Movie deals, merchandise, a clothing line, and Twilight-themed tourism followed. With more than 85 million copies sold worldwide, the Twilight books launched Meyer to fame and fortune. But she remains committed to family and to writing as fans wait to see what Stephenie Meyer dreams up next.
Teresa wrote: "As USA TODAY, The Nation's No. 1 Newspaper, puts it, Stephenie Meyer is "one of those rare success stories that inspire unpublished writers."In 2003, Meyer was a 29-year-old mother of three in su..."
That is true, I was watching an special feature from the Twilight Forever box set with her in a book discussion before eclipse released. That is where I heard her say she was not one for vampire books prior to writing the book, and that by the time Twilight released she had most of the following books written just needed to be finished through the editing stages. She also said in the interview that she had originally made Phil into a bad guy, but it changed over the editing process and liked it but did miss her "evil Phil".
In my opinion, it comes down to some people have limited themselves in regards to what books are out there to read. In doing so they forget that Twilight wasn't the first set of vampire books or Harry Potter isn't the first wizard books. Unless a person has read every book on the planet, then I'm not sure to even make a comparison.Plus after a while there is only going to be so many ways to spin a topic into a book. There are going to be similarities no matter the genre.
Another annoying this are the people who have to nitpick over every typo and grammatical error they find in a book. Authors and editors are human. Mistakes are made. This is why books are edited multiple times.
The point of a book is for an author to write a story and for the reader to enjoy it.
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