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And all I'm saying is, "Be frickin' happy we think you're perfect." I seriously don't see the problem with that.
I'm really not sure how to talk to you. I mean, we're all trying to sort of explain why a girl might not be happy with the fact that a guy thinks she's perfect. And there are quite a few.Do you want us to give possible reasons why a girl wouldn't like being thought of as perfect, or why they have double-standards, or why they reject a guy's advances and then whine about being alone? Or do you want us to agree with you or disagree with you?
Seriously, because this entire topic has a sour atmosphere right now and, while responding at all might only spur it on, I don't want you to think that we aren't willing to have a meaningful discussion here at WWAC.
Or should we get back on topic?
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Well, I don't think I can say all that much that RedPath hasn't already said. I still think you are generalizing. Regardless of gender, people are all individuals and they all have different attitudes/reactions when it comes to these things.
I'm not saying it's a guy's fault if a girl thinks he is too obsessive. I'm saying that sometimes, the feeling just isn't mutual and a guy's advances can make a girl feel uncomfortable if she isn't interested. And you can't expect a girl to "be happy" just because a guy likes her, because the hard truth is that she might not feel the same way and therefore the attention could be unwanted. This is not the guy's fault, it's just that he needs to know when to back off when he sees he's making a girl feel weirded out. (And of course, this goes both ways.)
As for the girl who committed suicide ... I'm sure, as RedPath said, that there was a lot more going on than just her "not feeling pretty enough." It's not like I know her or her situation, but I'm fairly certain there would be more of a reason than that. I'm sorry you had to lose a friend.
@RedPathThis is what I was trying to say before.... I did say before that I didn't want to have this conversation, and people acted like we could keep it civil.
Sorry for bringing a sour atmosphere. Just don't place all the blame on me.
I know. I read the comments before this to understand what all was being said. You're most certainly entitled to your own opinions and I can see why you didn't want to share them, considering what it led to. :) It wasn't fair us to make you say anything.But please do understand where we're coming from. We don't want you to think that all of us awful and impossible. We want you to know that the large majority of us have reasons for doing or not doing something.
Trust me -- I do want to believe that you all aren't impossible. It's just tough to hear EVERY SINGLE GIRL (whether they be a friend or not) complain about how their boyfriend/friend/AP Biology partner is too creepy, not invested enough, etc. It makes us feel stupid, and even if you don't personally do it, I'm just letting people know that I'm confused and scared because it seems like every move (or lack thereof) I make is the wrong thing to do. And I've tried being myself -- that's the person I've gotten the most flack for. So...I'm sorry to snap and get frustrated with this issue...I'm just really starting to get fed up with everyone thinking that what I do is the wrong thing.
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This is my opinion about a boy thinking I'm perfect and I don't know if it's offensive, but I'm definitely not trying to be. The thing is, I'm not perfect. No one is. So when a guy (or a girl) thinks that someone is perfect, it seems as if their feelings aren't valid. Because from what I've seen and felt, most of us want someone to see our flaws and acknowledge that we're messed up and it's okay that we can't be everything to them. And it's also frustrating when a girl thinks something is wrong with her and a guy keeps telling her it's a quirk and he doesn't mind. And I think that when a girl or guy looks at someone and only thinks about how they make them feel and not how the person their idealizing feels themself, it can be really upsetting to the purpose. I guess my point is that girls are not on Earth solely to get married and make seone happy for the rest of their life. We have hopes and dreams and fears that don't involve love. And people need to realize that before relationships can be healthy, in my opinion. But yeah. That's just how I feel about and I'm sure there are plenty of girls who would love for a guy to find them perfect. I just tend to think too much and I can be a bit too self-aware, so.
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I'm super late to this conversation. I just had a few things to say.
First off, it's kind of unfair they treat you like that. I've had the same problem with people in the past, platonically complimenting them and earning weird looks for it. I've learned that if you're doing it for the right reason (just to be nice) if they're creeped out, then it's their problem. They were either over-thinking the gesture or reading it as something it isn't.
On another note, I feel as though girls typically stereotype guys because most of them do fit that stereotype in some fashion or another. I can honestly say I'm friends with some really cool guys, who feel as though they have to conform themselves to fit societies stereotypes of them, or when they don't do this, they get called "weird". We are in a time period where kindness is kind of treated wryly, I believe.
On another note, girls are... I don't know. From personal experience, I've noticed that they can make very "idealized" images as guys as well. I mean, they get certain images in their head of what they want, or who they want to date, or who they are interested in, and they're just as likely to form "obsessions" at this ages as a guy is. You're in highschool, yeah? People are very shallow and self-absorbed. I mean... I'm generalizing now. I'm sure there are exceptions, but for the most part this is pretty true. People are immature and ridiculous, and they often overthink things other people say and do until they think what has been said or done is awkward or weird.
On another note, if they're treating you like this, it probably isn't worth being interested in them. I'm sure you've heard that before, but you're young and you have your entire life in front of you, and there are how many people in the world? I mean, I can totally relate. I've had experience with the same problem--not being liked just because of stupid reasons, basically. Either I say something "too smart" or I'm "awkward" or I'm "too sarcastic" and so on. It's just a part of going to school, y'know? It happens to the best of us.
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I'll probably make a bajillion posts over the next little bit because I'm slowly chewing each part. First, I don't know if I've said this already, but it's even girls I'm NOT interested in. Like, holy crap, if I like your hat, I'm gonna tell you. And then I'm gonna get bashed for it. (Or sometimes not. I made one girl too weirded out to say anything to me.)
@LavOkay. I see two topics in your post.
1. Guys thinking the girl is perfect
2. Genuine possession
Do I have these right?
Are you saying that the guy idealizing the girl puts pressure on the girl? If so, I totally get it. As for not wanting that...I guess I struggle with that notion because I hear so many girls say that they want to be perfect to someone. (Oddly enough, the single girl who is 100% perfect for me actually doesn't mind my compliments...or at least, caustic gossip doesn't reach my ears.) And when a guy says that, the reaction is usually negative.
And, with the quirks, we mean what we say when we say we're not bothered by them. Take one of my, ah, smaller crushes, Savannah. As my (self-appointed) secretary, we hang out a lot, and so I see a lot of her quirky things. She's obsessed with stuff like Pride and Prejudice, which I think is kinda cute. Yet she DOES express concern that it's too weird...so I see your point there.
As far as girls not solely being here for marriage and all that stuff, I totally agree! I also find it an irrational fear that love/marriage/sex is all a guy wants. I don't love Hazel because I want her to marry me. I simply hope that marriage is a milestone in our friendship.
More to come as I think of it.
@LavYour whole "girls are people too" thing is very true, though it implies that you think men are restricting that. I repeat: we just want you to be happy. (Any guy who just wants get laid or whatever already has. Trust me on that one.) We want you to feel beautiful and help you accomplish all your dreams and know that you mean a lot to us. My issue, phrased another way, is that you girls won't accept it. It's not that we want to be in a relationship -- it's that we want to know we...aren't wasting our time, I suppose. So for you to interpret our actions as being creepy or possessive or even as making a move...that's what bothers me. You won't let us be nice without overanalysis.
@KrissDid you notice you began almost every paragraph with "on another note?" :P
1. Sorry, but I'm gonna say you're flat-out wrong on your first point. Trust me -- human beings in general are good at making stuff another person's problem as well. A little like I'm doing now. >.<
2. Do we really fit that stereotype? I sure hope not. Because the stereotype says we are dumb animals who want two things in life -- Halo high scores and somewhere to put our dangly parts. Frick, all I want is for girls to see me as a someone who truly believes in their amazing potential. And that seems to come off as creepy.
3. So you can understand where we guys come from. We like to idealize the girls. The difference is that the male idealization is actually realistic and pretty broad, while girls want their man who is buff but not too buff and smart but not a nerd and is interested in them but not too interested. My theory behind that is evolutionary stuff. From a primal standpoint, the purpose of the male is to inseminate. So they pick the best MATES they can to pass on their genes. However, women can only have a baby with one guy at a time, so they're so much more selective. Which sucks and is a whole other rant on its own.
4. As I said before, this isn't just the girls I like. In fact, the girls I really like are the le
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Did you notice you began almost every paragraph with "on another note?" :P
1. Sorry, but I'm gonna say you're flat-out wrong on your first point. Trust me -- human beings in general are go..."
No XD I wasn't really paying attention.
1. I totally disagree with you on this. So much of what we do to other people is unjustified. I didn't say it doesn't happen. I just said it shouldn't, as idealistic as that is. Yeah, people make their problems other people's problems constantly.
2/3. I'm going to combine these next to because you just did an amazing job at contradicting yourself. "Do we really fit that stereotype? I sure hope not. Because the stereotype says we are dumb animals who want two things in life -- Halo high scores and somewhere to put our dangly parts." And yet, you manage to stereotype girls in the next paragraph. "The difference is that the male idealization is actually realistic and pretty broad, while girls want their man who is buff but not too buff and smart but not a nerd and is interested in them but not too interested."
On the contrary, a lot of interest varies from person to person. Personally, from my experience with highschool students and the way people work, people are looking for a good time when they're young. It's a sad fact in modern day life that teenagers aren't looking for soul-deep connections. The percentage don't care about that. I mean, I am stereotyping, but this is an educated one. I've observed the way people act for as long as I can remember, and throughout highschool most simply don't want relationships like you've mentioned.
I like how you continue to use the phrase "we" as in, men as a whole. You continue to generalize that all guys are like you are, or share your opinions on this or your ideas. I really do like your approach to this conversation, however, not all guys are like that. Individuals want to make people happy, like you, it seems. There are good guys out there, sure. But think about how many jerks are out there too. There are guys who want nothing other than to get laid, you know? And the same can be said for guys who simply aren't interested in relationships, or guys who are interested in relationships and want to have a "partner" and not a "screw buddy". But there's always difficulty with differentiating.
As for your theory, I disagree. As I said previously, at this point in time it younger people are emotionally immature, and current media plays a huge part on the psyche of youth. I get where you're coming from with natural selection and all, but it is a fact that human attraction changes depending on what's "in" at the time. For example, at one point in time it was considered attractive to be... ah, curvaceous or weighty. Now, there's so much weight put on women who are stick-thin and men that look like G.I. Joe with an eight-pack and pectorals the size of packaged beef.
Again, I'm going to quote your previous statement. "The difference is that the male idealization is actually realistic and pretty broad, while girls want their man who is buff but not too buff and smart but not a nerd and is interested in them but not too interested." Um, no. I have to completely disagree with that. Men, as a whole, have opinions that vary widely. I am friends with a lot of people, many of whom are guys, and I can say that very few of them share this belief at this point in time. Yes, some people like that exist. But you are fitting people into a stereotype. I cannot agree with you on the fact that girls are solely interested in those aspects, as well. I know girls who are attracted solely to nerds, or to jocks, or to meatheads (so to speak), and so on. It depends on the person.
I guess stereotyping is something that people do as much as idealized images. I mean, we all have idealized images in our head of what we want and so on, but we also stereotype. We think people want what they don't want and so on. Anyways.
re: this whole...debate...thing...whatevergirls are not in any way obliged to return your feelings
girls are not in any way obliged to return your feelings
girls are not in any way obliged to return your feelings
I know. I never said that girls had to return the feelings. So why the hell are you trying to bring that up? THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that the same girls who talk about guys being disrespectful are the same ones who complain that a guy is being creepy when he is kind.
Taylor [formerly Timothy] wrote: "I know. I never said that girls had to return the feelings. So why the hell are you trying to bring that up? THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that the same girls who talk about guys being disres..."Not everyone is like that. A writer shouldn't make there charaecter like that because it so annoing. Unless it is a coming of age novel. Then they could learn from there mistakes.
@KrissJust barely noticed this post. Sorry, but I'm done. This debate is draining. Bottom line -- GUYS FEEL LIKE girls expect two contradicting things from guys, and walking that fine line between the two is absolute misery 99% of the time. Give us a break.
@Poema
Oh man, my BS detector is ringing loud and clear on this stuff. Sorry that you think guys want stick-thin supermodel bodies. You're wrong. Lots of guys DO like that, but that's not all we'll take. In fact, I don't even find that figure attractive. At all. So get out of your narrow-minded "Guys are jerks because they want us to have hourglass figures and big boobs" perspective. If you know guys who think like that, you ought to realize that they aren't ones who are worth being around. In fact, get off your freaking computer and go find some. They're out there, and I swear half the time, girls just want to believe that they're forever imperfect so they have a reason to complain.
Can we all just realize that we're each doing the best we can? Girls, guys who are worth are doing the best they can to do what makes you happy. Be grateful. Guys, if you aren't worth it, step up, because you make all of us look bad.
Gilda wrote: "Sorry, can I just say this has gone out of control? We were talking about the stereotypes of the characters in young adult novels, not about the problems of real life. By saying this I don't mean t..."i agree.
Poema wrote: Guys want a girl who is skinny and has a model's body.Please explain to me how this isn't narrow-minded. Please explain to me why it took me raging at you to have you qualify your statement. Please explain to me why I SHOULDN'T BE PISSED OFF BY THIS NAÏVE STATEMENT.
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I would say we could try to continue this discussion peacefully, but I don't think that's going to happen given the history of arguing and personal attacks in situations like this, so I think everyone should let the issue drop for now before someone gets hurt.
Thanks.
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Oh, that Bella chick? She was awesome! So realistic. XD
Ana Steele...no.Fifty Shades of Grey should really be titled What NOT To Do When Your Friend Makes You Go To An Interview.
Here, I'll help bring it back to female characters because I like to rant a lot about female stereotypes and sexism in today's society and such but for now let's just stick with the original topic because unintentional debates are not fun.Female character rant:
The reason I hate almost every book written for teenage girls and/or women is BECAUSE of the main character. All the female characters are so freaking annoying. It's like the writers who write books targeted at girls in my age group write about this girl who is supposed to be like us--like me--but fails so miserably that I'm literally throwing books at the wall. Like seriously, I throw books a lot when they irritate me.
So let me explain.
If you pick up a book for teenage girls, it's always a romance or a story where a teenage girl finds her true identity or something meant to be touching but comes out horribly cheesy. In the book, there's always a girl. She is a clumsy girl who isn't athletic. She claims to not be very pretty. She has only like one friend. Either she has a great home life or she might come from a tad bit unstable home.
In the romances, although she's really unattractive or whatever, there's always this really hot guy that falls in love with her and yay everything's happy now or oh no he broke her heart the world is ending but she learns a valuable lesson.
In the other stories, like the identity crisis ones, she embarks some personal journey and meets some people or something and she figures this really deep thing out and now the world is different or something.
And the list goes on and on.
But it isn't the story that bothers me. It's the fact that the authors try so hard to be relatable yet fail. It really freaking annoys me and even makes me mad sometimes when I read these totally ridiculous characters that are supposed to be just like me.
So, let us set up how these heroines disappoint me in a lot of ways:
-Unattractive
The fact that for some reason guys like her gives me the idea that she's not ugly. I've never had a boyfriend and the only people who've ever had a crush on me are those really weird guys that you don't really want to date like ever. I'm basically the odd man out of all the girls of my grade because I don't date. Yet I don't sit around and complain about it, but these girls do. And it drives me freaking insane.
-Not athletic
They're so ungraceful it makes me want to scream. I'm anything but athletic, but holy crap at least I try at gym. They sit there and whine about how much they suck at sports when they don't even freaking try.
And with stories when the character is athletic: IF YOU MAKE YOUR CHARACTER A FREAKING BASKETBALL PLAYER I WILL TEAR YOUR EYES OUT OF YOU HEAD. I AM SO SICK OF EVERYONE BEING BASKETBALL PLAYERS and that's probably because of my own personal issues with basketball and its players but that's a whole different rant.
-Brains
I have serious issues with this one. Either they sit and whine about how stupid they are or they're some freaking genius and it really freaking annoys me.
Okay, so I'm in high performance. I know what it's like to be labeled as a smart kid. And let me tell you now the "smart" girls in stories are NOTHING like the "smart" kids in real life. They sit there and act so smug about it or so humble about it and it drives me insane because that's really not how it works.
If you were to sit in my homeroom or advanced English class, you would see us sleeping on giant teddy bears, singing whatever comes into our heads, discussing time travel paradoxes, spinning around in computer chairs, writing really lame insults to each other on the whiteboard, and so on. We don't sit there talking about chemistry. We rarely talk about stuff a stereotypical smart kid would. The smartest we talk is the whole time travel stuff and that's it. The end. We're not cool. We're just normal kids who have an easier time with things that require your brain.
With that being said, a lack of... immaturity is found in these "smart" kids rather disappointing.
-Unpopularity
As a girl with social anxiety disorder, you better freaking believe I would understand what this is like.
So it would make sense why I want to rip these characters apart. They have the freaking capability to make friends because they're practically perfect but they're "painfully socially awkward" (aka they're anything but that) so they don't have any friends.
Yet for some reason the popular girls are out to destroy her although she's really unpopular which leads me to conclude she's so perfect the popular girls are scared of her.
So another topic yet failed.
-Stereotypical teenage girl thoughts
I AM GOING TO #^@*ING KILL SOMEBODY OVER THIS ONE HOLY--
Okay, so the girls are ALWAYS obsessed with clothes or makeup or popularity or boys or whatever and this is what really sets me apart on the "relatability" factor.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
So when writers try to make characters that aren't like that and are like hipsters or whatever, it annoys me even more because they're still really freaking off.
I know that nobody will pin me down, but I really wish that there would be an original female character for once. Seriously, take me for instance. I have like this really big hate towards makeup and dresses. I could be considered a nerd or geek (AND NOT A FREAKING STEREOTYPE NERD OR GEEK). I like Star Wars and music from the 60s. I could care less about relationships. I'm in band (seriously, where are the female characters in band that play something other than flute or clarinet?). That's only a fraction, yet authors freaking fail at pinning down good female characters.
Like Poema said, JK Rowling did a fantastic job at creating female characters. I didn't hate one of them-- well, the ones I did were the ones she wanted you to hate.
I'm currently reading "The Fault in Our Stars" (I KNOW I'M FREAKING LATE BUT I HAD TO MAKE SURE MY MOM WOULDN'T KNOW I'M READING IT BECAUSE SHE'S REALLY OVERPROTECTIVE AND I KNOW WHAT JOHN GREEN IS LIKE) and Hazel is the type of character I have no problem with. She's realistic. She's a normal teenage girl, just with cancer. The romance isn't sappy. It's a very nice story (and I know how it ends so don't be like crying down there because y'all already spoiled it for me) that makes me smile and think and all that stuff and yeah. John Green is good.
WOW THIS ENDED UP WAY TOO LONG AND IT REALLY BOTHERS ME WHEN I GET PAST "10000 CHARACTERS LEFT" SO THIS IS REALLY DRIVING ME CRAZY SO
*end rant*
I think Ana Steele is hot...just like Mr. Gray...OOPS LOOK AT ME I'M CREEPY! :P
Ravens and crows, man. How am I supposed to have an intelligent conversation with you now? XD
Oh, you know...I'm a pretty intelligent conversationalist...when it comes to chains...and taking out people's tampons...and being a total disixjeeixrhevdxieurhdbdh.....
Well, I'll need to borrow your chains. There are...problems in my basement that need dealing with.@ Emily: I think you're a very thoughtful person to have come up with all that, and I concur with everything wholeheartedly--except I wish that my IB Language Arts class was as awesome as yours.
I don't even understand why books like that get published. Well, I do, but ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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THIS.
ALL OF THIS.
This is all so accurate and I never really noticed that this is one of the things that bothers me about low-grade YA.
EMILY.
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO READ?
Anna and the French Kiss.
It's a horribly cheesy cliche romance novel about a girl who goes to Paris and falls in love and blah blah blah BUT THE CHARACTERS ARE SO REAL. Like, ajksld;fasdf. I mean, you might end up hating it, but I really think you should give it a try.
... Lav is a creeper. (view spoiler)
I... actually didn't like Anna and the French Kiss because Anna got on my nerves. She was realistic, yeah, but she got on my nerves to the point where I just was kind of upset that we have the same name. That's all.
*awkwardly shuffles away*
*awkwardly shuffles away*
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And Lola and the Boy Next Door (not as much, but still good).
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Awh, really? D: I mean, I'm in love with that book so maybe I'm just blindly obsessed and I didn't care about any of her flaws, haha. I tend to do that. What did she do that annoyed you?
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And Lola and the Boy Next Door (not as much, but still good)."
I liked Lola more than I liked Anna, but I didn't like the plot and writing as much. Cricket was wonderful, but I mean, St. Clair owns the OED.
Lav wrote: "Maxy wrote: "I... actually didn't like Anna and the French Kiss because Anna got on my nerves. She was realistic, yeah, but she got on my nerves to the point where I just was kind of upset that we ..."
I think it's just not my type of book. It's not bad or anything. It's good enough that I wouldn't consider you "blindly obsessed". ;)
I don't know. The second half of the book is what got to me. When she was e-mailing St. Clair, she spent all her time complaining about her holiday season and didn't even ask about his when he obviously had a lot of crap going on, like (view spoiler) I understand her actions, and they technically make sense, and I know everyone makes mistakes, but I kind of thought she was smarter than that. She seemed so fantastic at the beginning, but then everything was about St. Clair and she went downhill.
Again, it might just be the genre, and I'm sure I've been just as annoying. I don't know. It just wasn't the book for me.
I think it's just not my type of book. It's not bad or anything. It's good enough that I wouldn't consider you "blindly obsessed". ;)
I don't know. The second half of the book is what got to me. When she was e-mailing St. Clair, she spent all her time complaining about her holiday season and didn't even ask about his when he obviously had a lot of crap going on, like (view spoiler) I understand her actions, and they technically make sense, and I know everyone makes mistakes, but I kind of thought she was smarter than that. She seemed so fantastic at the beginning, but then everything was about St. Clair and she went downhill.
Again, it might just be the genre, and I'm sure I've been just as annoying. I don't know. It just wasn't the book for me.
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And Lola and the Boy Next Door (not as much, but still good)."
I liked Lola more than I liked Anna, but I didn't like the plot and writing ..."
Really? I liked Anna better. It was just... more realistic/relatable. And I loved the characters more. Lola got to me occasionally.
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Ahhhh really? I can get why that would annoy you. I just personally thought that the author did a very good job at portraying everything realistically, which is something a lot of people do. And just... I don't know. Anna and St. Clair interacted a lot like how teenagers do now. Plus, they were intelligent and funny. The way she handled her crush on St. Clair was also kind of realistic. I mean... I can totally relate to how she felt, as petty as it is. I've had little crushes (nothing like her relationship with St. Clair) that made me feel angry towards whoever the person was in a relationship with. I mean, her jealousy/dislike toward St. Clair's girlfriend was kind of a natural reaction.
BUT LIKE I SAID. I get where you're coming from, chikita <3
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It did frustrate me how their whole relationship building happened while St. Clair was... in a relationship. That was the one thing. But I realize there had to be some sort of conflict. I just. Yeah. Cheating or even behavior that resembles cheating frustrates me.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT. xD
And I get where you guys are coming from. If I said I hadn't been petty over boys, it would be one of the biggest lies I've told. *cringes at awkward past* It's realistic. Maybe just not fun for me to read, I suppose. I was also in a terrible mood the day I read it, haha. That might mean something.
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Ah, yes. Personal feelings outside of the book can definitely affect a reading of a book. I think after I finished it I sat in my room crying because I was jealous of her and it made me lonely, haha.
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*nods* I agree with all of this. And yes, it was a platonic relationship and I did like that. I'm so glad it wasn't insta-love. It was a crush that turned into a friendship that turned into love. And I'm not sure where I stand on the issue of being able to love more than one person. I've never fallen in love with someone to the point that I didn't have feelings for anyone else but I always thought that was me not loving the person enough? I guess I've just heard from most of my friends in relationships that they never think about other people, and the cynic in me says that they're lying, but the sap in me says that I just haven't found the right person. I'm not sure if that made any sense.
Holden wrote: "Emily [Bobby Darin is a dork] wrote: "Here, I'll help bring it back to female characters because I like to rant a lot about female stereotypes and sexism in today's society and such but for now let..."Why thank you.
Hope wrote: "Well, I'll need to borrow your chains. There are...problems in my basement that need dealing with.
@ Emily: I think you're a very thoughtful person to have come up with all that, and I concur with..."
It wasn't as much thought as it was annoyance. I get angry and then I have a million things to say. :P
((My English class rocks for seriously. We're infamous for the times we read out loud.))
Lav wrote: "Emily [Bobby Darin is a dork] wrote: "Here, I'll help bring it back to female characters because I like to rant a lot about female stereotypes and sexism in today's society and such but for now let..."
LAV I'M NOT THAT STUNNING BUT THANK YOU ANYWAY
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OKAY I AGREE WITH THE NOSE THING I VERY MUCH LIKE MY NOSEBUT SERIOUSLY YOU MAKE ME SOUND LIKE I'M CUTE OR SOMETHING
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Also, since I technically know you now, am I allowed to add you on FB or is that not a thing that can happen?
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None of us are really attacking you here. Both guys and girls can be jerks. But that doesn't mean everyone is. It just means that those particular people, or even that group of people, are like that. Meanwhile, the rest of us aren't.
And if someone committed suicide, chances are they had some problems that a simple "You're really pretty" can't fix.
My point is: There's a lot of generalization and idealization nowadays, most infamously on the female end, but also from guys too. And it's not fair. But not EVERYONE is that way.
The world's a big place. With a lot of people. It's unlikely that all guys/girls are the same.