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message 1: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090313...

"That was my skull! I'm so wasted!"




message 2: by Nuri (last edited Mar 13, 2009 11:50AM) (new)

Nuri (nools) | 538 comments Eh. Where I am, at least, I think I can pretty safely assert that everyone who has the slightest inclination to do pot is already doing it. Legalizing shouldn't increase usage too much. Taxing the marijuana might even reduce the amount some people are doing, if the goal is that, even.

I've read some interesting works, in fact, that suggest we have evolved receptors for the "active ingredients" in pot. And I've also heard that it's not as harmful as tobacco (admittedly, my sources had reason for bias).

If it means getting my education paid for me (as I believe education in general should be), I'm for it.


message 3: by Lori (new)

Lori Yep, it's about time!

Pot is bad for the lungs, but it's not like you are smoking as many as cigs if you do smoke. Coupla hit, you're done.

One thing I will say is that pot can be psychologically addicting. Ahem. For those of us who have an addictive personality. For that reason I don't smoke anymore. If I had it, it would be everyday!


message 4: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony | 14536 comments Ok, I realize I should know the answer to this, but why are cigarettes and alcohol legal but pot isn't?


message 5: by Lori (new)

Lori Because pot leads to all those hardcore drugs!!!!

That's the claim, which is BS. Reefer Madness!


Jackie "the Librarian" | 8991 comments No, there must be a business reason, it was competing with some other commodity, such as whiskey, or tobacco, so it was demonized.

Follow the money!


message 7: by Lori (last edited Mar 13, 2009 05:13PM) (new)

Lori Absolutely Jackie, you are so right. Probably the government is afraid to legitimize it, so couldn't make the money off it. Maybe as the pot generation assumes power, it will happen.


Jackie "the Librarian" | 8991 comments Okay, I've found a theory that sounds plausible to me, from wiki answers:

Answer (how it really happened)
(to keep a long answer short; because the government can't profit of marijuana)

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

THE CONSPIRACY
Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.

MEDIA MANIPULATION
A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_mari...
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There's more on this theory, and other theories on the subject at that link.


message 9: by Lori (new)

Lori Wow Jackie. Good find.


message 10: by Cosmic Sher (new)

Cosmic Sher (sherart) | 2234 comments Yep, yep, yep...

The baseline is that they can make money off of alcohol and tobacco, but it's harder to control with a weed that almost anyone can grow in their backyard.

I think Cali is being brilliant. They already grow the stuff why not use it to help their economy? Not that I think that's the best motive, but if it is a way to start, why not?


message 11: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony | 14536 comments No, there must be a business reason, it was competing with some other commodity, such as whiskey, or tobacco, so it was demonized.

Follow the money!


Makes sense to me...thanks, librarian:)


message 12: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments always about the money


message 13: by Julie (last edited Mar 13, 2009 07:45PM) (new)

Julie | 568 comments Sherrie wrote: "Yep, yep, yep...

The baseline is that they can make money off of alcohol and tobacco, but it's harder to control with a weed that almost anyone can grow in their backyard.

I think Cali is be..."


However, even though you can also make homemade alcohol, most of us don't, do we?
Growing pot that is smokable for intoxicating reasons is a lot harder than you think.
The actual plant will grow easy, but you have to have a female plant that is not in danger of being pollinated by a male plant.
The minute the female plants get pollinated, they stop producing buds, which is the part we smoke.

Growers these days have this stuff down to a science. They only use cloned female plants, keep them indoors, and time the lighting in very specific hours to force the plants to bud at times they never would/could in nature.


So I think the growing of your own pot would be no more than a hobby for people who really wanted to put the effort into it, just like homebrewers.

sorry, I am reading a book about it right now.



message 14: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) I'm impressed.


message 15: by Julie (new)

Julie | 568 comments Oh yeah, I've been able to read for a while now.


message 16: by RandomAnthony (last edited Mar 13, 2009 07:52PM) (new)

RandomAnthony | 14536 comments As the DEA circles Julie's house, ready to raid her basement


message 17: by Félix (last edited Mar 13, 2009 07:54PM) (new)

Félix (habitseven) Julie wrote: "Oh yeah, I've been able to read for a while now."

Yeah I guess that was pretty lame. Sorry.



message 18: by Julie (new)

Julie | 568 comments I was just trying to be funny.

Good thing I didn't follow up on that whole stand-up comedian dream of mine.


message 19: by Julie (new)

Julie | 568 comments Oh, and RA
I live in Humboldt county.
They are way in over their heads here to notice little ole me.


message 20: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
No way! I think it is impressive that you have all this comprehensive knowledge and are able to convey it in such succinct informativeness.


message 21: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) ... and you're learning how to grow dope.


message 22: by Julie (new)

Julie | 568 comments Thanks.
I like the knowledge, and the dope.
Win-win.


message 23: by Félix (last edited Mar 13, 2009 08:15PM) (new)


message 24: by Julie (new)

Julie | 568 comments Yeah, that was a BIG deal here.
I haven't seen it yet, as it's always rented out.
Local Humboldt pride is very important, even if it has to do with a pot movie.


message 25: by Félix (new)

Félix (habitseven) Everybody's gotta have somethin'.


message 26: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments reading it from a book.....yeah right... :)

difficult maybe but it sounds much less dangerous than making meth in the bathtub or smuggling hashish out of Turkey ( billy hayes style)




message 27: by Sandi (new)

Sandi (sandikal) BunWat wrote: "Aaaand now we have caused an ad for a drug treatment center to appear in the right margin. "

Nope, there are now three ads for medical marijuana services. That's probably because I'm in California.


message 28: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments mine is an ad for Zig-Zag rolling papers


message 29: by RandomAnthony (new)

RandomAnthony | 14536 comments I got "Magic: The Gathering."

Maybe the people who play that get high a lot.


message 30: by Lori (new)

Lori King Dinösaur wrote: "Jackie, I watched a very interesting and informative documentary about the very things you cited above - I wish I could remember the name of it. "

Probably because you were stoned when you watched it! :D

I downloaded an ad blocker, and it's working, zippety doo dah.




message 31: by Cosmic Sher (new)

Cosmic Sher (sherart) | 2234 comments I remember hearing a theory that "Mana from Heaven" was actually marijuana and it was cited in the Bible somehow to prove it (cause if it's in the Bible... you know it can't be misinterpreted). Somethine about God making weed? (It was prolly on a comedy show)

On a different note, the smoke from a joint/hit is much more toxic than from one entire cigarette, but ciggy smokers usually smoke more than one a day. So it should still be better than cigs. There are other ways to imbibe the THC/cannabanoids that don't involve smoking and are very beneficial to pain, nausea, mood, etc. I have to say personally that it is the best thing for PMS/cramps at that time of the month!

I didn't realize that it was the THC factor that can cause paranoia. I do think there is a link between those who have chemical imbalances in their brains and how paranoid, aggressive, psycho they get when smoking too much weed on a regular basis. It's similar to taking the wrong kind of psychoactive drugs for bi-polar or severe depression. It's all about individual brain chemistry.

Yea, I prolly know way too much about either of these topics for any sane person. :|


message 32: by Cosmic Sher (new)

Cosmic Sher (sherart) | 2234 comments I really wish they would seriously research some of this because there is so much so called anecdotal evidence out there about the effectives of marijuana that I believe there should be scientific follow up to it.

Is this just because government funding won't allow it? Or has the negative bias of the populas turned this aside? I really wonder what is behind most of this when it seems there could be so much good from this plant that has been used for centuries by more primative cultures as both a health restorative and spiritual catalyst.


message 33: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments Sherrie wrote: "I remember hearing a theory that "Mana from Heaven" was actually marijuana and it was cited in the Bible somehow to prove it (cause if it's in the Bible... you know it can't be misinterpreted). Som..."

i love the "I have to say personally..." part






message 34: by Sarah (last edited Mar 15, 2009 02:16PM) (new)

Sarah (songgirl7) Sherrie wrote: "I have to say personally that it is the best thing for PMS/cramps at that time of the month!
Sherrie, I am astounded. For the first time in my life, someone has said something that has made me consider trying pot!


message 35: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments kinda makes me want PMS


message 36: by David (new)

David Katzman (daviddavid) You can reduce the negative cigarette-like effects tremendously by using a vaporizer, which heats the leaves until the crystals turn to steam. Thus you inhale THC steam instead of burning leaves.


Jackie "the Librarian" | 8991 comments If marijuana was legalized, I'm sure someone would make packs of it with filters, which would remove a lot of the harmful elements that make them worse than cigarettes currently.


Jackie "the Librarian" | 8991 comments Or make tea.


message 39: by David (last edited Mar 15, 2009 03:50PM) (new)

David Katzman (daviddavid) tru dat. However, eating duration can be very long and of less predictable strength.


Jackie "the Librarian" | 8991 comments I'm sure Hostess would be able to standardize the dosage, and come up with a uniform product. Ho-Ho's would finally make sense as a name...


message 41: by Cosmic Sher (new)

Cosmic Sher (sherart) | 2234 comments For those of us poor souls who have suffered through the miasma of PMS from the time of our 'flowering'- monthly cursing a male god ('cause a female would never put us through that), and searching in vain for a nominal cure for cramps (which should really be a much longer and more descriptive word with many more pointed syllables) - the discovery of smoking a joint for blissful relief a few days a month has been a wonderment from heaven infused with comforting rapture and sprinkled with utter contentment.

Yea, gimmee some o'dat! (Jared seconds this as well)

I'd definitely go with Mary Jane Ho-Ho's!


message 42: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments or a Ding Dong Bong?


message 43: by Cosmic Sher (new)

Cosmic Sher (sherart) | 2234 comments Bwahahahaha! Yes, Kev. Exactly.
How 'bout a Twinkie Toke?

Shoot, Snowballs are my favorite and I can't think of one for that. :|


message 44: by Sally, la reina (new)

Sally (mrsnolte) | 17373 comments Mod
There is wild and rampant outdoor smoking of the doobage out here. Joints and pipes galore.


message 45: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments Snowball Shotgun :)


message 46: by Cosmic Sher (last edited Mar 17, 2009 07:41PM) (new)

Cosmic Sher (sherart) | 2234 comments Ha! I knew there would be a good one for snowballs. Thnx, Kev.

Sal, can I come live with you out in the doobage wild? I make a mean brownie.


message 47: by Kevin (new)

Kevin  (ksprink) | 11469 comments the mile high state?


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