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What are U reading these days? (Part Five) (begun 3/12/09)

Joy, Do you ever find yourself holding your breath as you read The Time Traveler's Wife? Whenever I read it, I found myself reading faster than I ever knew I was able and holding my breath until I knew what happened. Such a lovely story. I can't wait to see the movie.
Personally, I'm reading Public Enemies America's Greatest Crime Wave and the Birth of the FBI, 1933-34, which is absolutely amazing. It has me considering writing my senior thesis on Bonnie and Clyde. I feel such a sympathy for the criminals because of how well I'm getting to know them.
Next I think I'll tackle either An Unfinished Life John F. Kennedy, 1917 - 1963, The Help (which is for another book group), Lady Chatterley's Lover or one of the Gore Vidal American Series books or maybe it will be something completely different from these. I own so many great books! I wish I could just lock myself in a room and devour them all.

... I sure have a lot of 'favorite' movies, LOL"
Good idea, Jackie (about "The Time Traveler's Wife")!
Jackie, I have a lot of favorite movies too, but many of them are the classic oldies.
I've started a new topic about them at: ====>
http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/2...
If you ever see any of the movies I mention there, I'd be curious to know your opinion of them.

While doing this, without being logged in, this morning, I tried to post two comments. There was a "problem saving" both of them. This had been happening to me with frustrating frequency in the last few days; and I suddenly remembered that in the same time period, I'd twice gotten a unexpected notice that I had to be logged in to change the setting on my friends' updates. As an experiment, I logged in and tried a post. It worked like a jewel! So did my re-posting of the two comments I'd tried earlier.
IMO, this is not likely to be coincidental. To have a comment successfully saved, it's apparent to me that you have to be logged in. (I don't know if this is a recent change in Goodreads' software, or if I'm only now discovering it --I've often tried to comment from my home e-mail program before, and been successful; but I've also often, on those occasions, logged in very early on to check my inbox. There've been times before that a comment hasn't been saved, but until now I never thought about a connection between that and not being logged in.) Anyway, maybe this discovery will be helpful to others, too!
That's exactly what happened to me Werner, and never before...going to try to post this without logging in, but...copy and paste first...
:eek:
it worked without officially logging in, this time at least.
Consistency, thy name is not Good Reads
:rolleyes:
:eek:
it worked without officially logging in, this time at least.
Consistency, thy name is not Good Reads
:rolleyes:
So....to be on topic, I just finished rereading Outlander, and am still reading Dancing After Hours Stories.
The new Gabaldon is coming out 9/22. An Echo in the Bone
The new Gabaldon is coming out 9/22. An Echo in the Bone

It's not just GR. It's your browser, cookies & times of connections that matter. What credentials are cached, how long they last & your Internet connection all make a huge difference. There are quite a few different ways of setting it up. Some are more secure, some are more friendly with a myriad in the middle. If your ISP is having any router issues due to attacks, that can change how it all works too.
It's not simple or easy. Believe me, I support remote users through VPNs & such. It can be a mess.

... once on-site, you can navigate to different parts of Goodreads without logging in, unless you want to go to your inbox. ..."
Werner, it seems that I'm always automatically logged in when I go to Goodreads. I never have to log in unless I've manually logged out.

The new Gabaldon is coming out 9/22. An Echo in the Bone"
Pontalba, thanks for the links. These look like good stories. How do you choose your books? I never know which ones to choose. So I read usually what my library groups select.
Outlander is an outstanding series. The first book came out in 1991, and I ran across it accidentally in the grocery store of all places a few years later. I immediately read the few that were out at the time, and was totally hooked.
How do I pick books. Any number of ways really. I've always had pretty strong likes and dislikes, I've always loved history, so historical fiction was a given, I cut my teeth on mysteries, so another given. But in the last 5 or 6 years, I've branched out a lot more. In that time I'd started visiting different forums and slowly, after sizing the situation up as best I could, started choosing amongst the recommendations. Since then I've read a great deal of literary fiction. Vladimir Nabokov, John Banville and Marguerite Duras were among the first authors I branched out into.
I've found short story anthologies are helpful in finding new authors as well.
Taylor Caldwell is wonderful for interesting and accurate historical fiction. Her research is thorough and painstakingly accurate. And she was a darned good writer.
I'd grown tired of the mainstream, popular fiction, all the plots seemed alike, and became boring to me. Literary Fiction is a varied and interesting genre. For me at least. I just wish I'd started 30 years earlier. :)
How do I pick books. Any number of ways really. I've always had pretty strong likes and dislikes, I've always loved history, so historical fiction was a given, I cut my teeth on mysteries, so another given. But in the last 5 or 6 years, I've branched out a lot more. In that time I'd started visiting different forums and slowly, after sizing the situation up as best I could, started choosing amongst the recommendations. Since then I've read a great deal of literary fiction. Vladimir Nabokov, John Banville and Marguerite Duras were among the first authors I branched out into.
I've found short story anthologies are helpful in finding new authors as well.
Taylor Caldwell is wonderful for interesting and accurate historical fiction. Her research is thorough and painstakingly accurate. And she was a darned good writer.
I'd grown tired of the mainstream, popular fiction, all the plots seemed alike, and became boring to me. Literary Fiction is a varied and interesting genre. For me at least. I just wish I'd started 30 years earlier. :)
Jim wrote: It's not just GR. It's your browser, cookies & times of connections that matter. What credentials are cached, how long they last &..."
I don't doubt there are a plethora of circumstances, but I at least, have not changed anything on my end. I've run Firefox for a couple of years now with no problem, and I haven't changed providers.
I haven't had any problem today. /fingers crossed/ :)
I don't doubt there are a plethora of circumstances, but I at least, have not changed anything on my end. I've run Firefox for a couple of years now with no problem, and I haven't changed providers.
I haven't had any problem today. /fingers crossed/ :)


You SHOULD have changed things on your end! The Firefox you're using today shouldn't be the same one you were using a week or so ago - there's been an upgrade from 3.51 to 3.52 lately. Patches to Windows can make a difference & there have been a bunch issued in the past month. They're important & you should have applied them.
About the only thing you can be certain of with computers today is nothing ever remains the same & it's a lot more complex than most imagine.
Ahh, well automatic updates take care of that sort of thing on both Firefox and Microsoft. I wouldn't count those as changes. :)
Werner,
I log out as well, but GR always recognizes me when i click on those links, the only time I had to sign in was to visit my account page. But last week it went nutz and from one click to the next it would sign me out. For example when I'd be on this site, and click "groups" at the top, it'd tell me I had no groups, and then I'd notice I'd been signed out somehow. It happened several times.
It seems to be straightened out now.
Werner,
I log out as well, but GR always recognizes me when i click on those links, the only time I had to sign in was to visit my account page. But last week it went nutz and from one click to the next it would sign me out. For example when I'd be on this site, and click "groups" at the top, it'd tell me I had no groups, and then I'd notice I'd been signed out somehow. It happened several times.
It seems to be straightened out now.



Joy, Do you ever find yourself holding your breath as you read The Time Traveler's Wife? ..."
Lori, I just found this post of yours. At times I found TTW compelling, but they were offset by the times the writing dragged. IMO they could have omitted the descriptions of her art work and also their dream sequences. Also, the numerous time shifts were a bit confusing (and annoying) at times.

How do I pick books. Any number of ways really. ... I've always loved history, so historical fiction was a given, I cut my teeth on mysteries, so another given. ... Since then I've read a great deal of literary fiction. ...
Taylor Caldwell is wonderful for interesting and accurate historical fiction. ...
I'd grown tired of the mainstream, popular fiction, all the plots seemed alike, and became boring to me. Literary Fiction is a varied and interesting genre. For me at least. I just wish I'd started 30 years earlier. :)"
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Pontalba, I too wish I had been able to read more years ago. But I had no time or energy after parenting and working. Now that I'm retired I have time.
Years ago I enjoyed reading Taylor Caldwell's historical fiction. I should really go back and review her writings.
I've put _Outlander_ on my to-read shelf.

Werner, since I'm the only person who uses my laptop, I don't bother to sign out.

One of her presents from us (me and hubby) is the cd audiobook "Dead and Gone" by Charlaine Harris. The narrator is great. Its funny, a bit of mystery and has vampires and werewolves (which Mom should enjoy).
I'll let you know what Mom thinks. There are about 8 cd's...wondering if Mom will get through 1!!!! LOL "
Linda, hope your mom enjoys her CD player and the audio CD of _Dead and Gone_. If it's a good story, she'll stick with it.
I'm currently listening to an audio of _Madam Secretary A Memoir_ by Madeleine Albright. It's an amazing story. One would never have expected her to become Sec. of State, but she was a true intellectual and her life led her into political circles. These memoirs tell some interesting personal stories. For example, Madeleine Albright gave birth to identical twins.
Funny story I heard somewhere: When someone once telephoned to speak to Sec. of State Madeleine Albright, he was told that she was "on the floor with Senator Goldwater!" :)

Joy, D..."
Joy, I can see that. A lot of my friends recommended not paying attention to the dates. Personally, I liked knowing where in time they were and seeing how the pieces fit together. I do agree about the art; it wasn't really hugely important to the overall story, at least not as I saw it.

Here for more:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/ne...

One of Eric's friends came over, stopped to talk to me for a minute which turned out to be 3 hours. Now it's after 1 AM. I'll read but I don't know if I can stay up long enough to finish Nine Princes in Amber, which is REALLY good.

One of Eric's friends came..."
Jackie, that's what you get for being such an interesting person! :)

Lori, about _The Time Traveler's Wife_, glad you agree about the art sections. I hated them because they stalled the story. I agree about paying attention to the dates and times of each scene. I need to feel oriented in order to understand what I'm reading.


Beautiful weather today for doing absolutely anything! I'm enjoying David McCollough's _1776_ (2005). He brings history to life!
Have also started reading Gore Vidal's _Burr A Novel_. It drew me right in.
When I read books like these, I remember why, years ago in college, I decided to major in history. It's fascinating when presented so well.

I'm currently reading the Twilight sequel, New Moon. Barb gave me a copy last month for my birthday. :-)


I'm currently reading the Twilight sequel, New Moon. Barb gave me a copy last month for my birthday. :-)"
Jackie said that the movie based on Stephenie Meyer's book _New Moon_ will be coming out in November. Below are links to a couple of clips she referred us to:
http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer....
http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer....
(a short ad precedes each clip)

Lori, as I read _Burr_ by Gore Vidal, I can hear the voice of Gore Vidal as he sounds on the audio of his memoir (which I am also listening to currently). His delivery is unique and he seems to write the way he talks. Hard to describe. So far, the novel presents the rumor that President Van Buren was Burr's illegitimate son! It seems to me that Vidal loves to gossip! LOL I wonder how true the rumor is.


Werner, as you suggested, the rumor was probably a political tactic (to prevent Van Buren from being elected).
Another feature of Vidal's book (_Burr__) is criticism of George Washington. Burr expresses criticisms I've never heard before about GW. According to Vidal's story, Burr didn't think too highly of GW, and Burr and GW weren't too fond of one another. The book is historical fiction, but Vidal claims that all the historical facts are correct. The problem is separating the facts from the fiction. :)
David McCullough's book, _1776_, (non-fiction) states that all of George Washington's peers thought very highly of him and his ability as a commander. Indeed, I've never heard a negative word about the way GW conducted the war until now (that I'm reading _Burr_). But then again, I really haven't read much in that area. I'm still reading _1776_.

I've never read anything that suggested that Burr and Washington held bad opinions of each other. If they did, it wasn't consistent with Washington's character, or with Burr's political ambitions, to say so openly; so I doubt if Vidal has any objective basis for that part of his portrayal. :-)

Werner, if you ever read Vidal's _Burr_, please let me know if you think Vidal was making it all up. It's so hard to tell. Meanwhile, it makes for interesting reading... and discussion. :)
I got the impression, while reading _Burr_, that Washington passed over Burr when appointing officers... or something to that effect. So that may have been the start of any possible animosity on Burr's part. Who knows!
BTW, Vidal's story says that Washington had a big behind! LOL You never know what Vidal is going to say next. He presents a lot of this info in letters (sent between the characters), which I'm not sure are fiction or not.

Washington probably did have a big behind. He was quite a large man physically --over six feet tall-- so I'd be surprised if he didn't. :-)

The problem with history is it's subjective to the author's perspective, not that it's necessarily accurate. It may be accurate, but it's equally possible that it's not.
Let's look at contemporary reporting, you get a variety of perspectives, but how about these same texts in 100 years, how many will be available then? Basically, which ones survive (or are allowed to survive) are the ones that will be taught in a classroom 100 years in the future, it doesn't mean it's accurate or any more valid than another perspective.
Or, better yet, pick a 20th century war that the US was involved in. The US perspective for the history books is quite different from the losers' perspective. See what I mean? History is subjective.
My father was a big history buff, and he taught me, never believe what you read in a 'history' book unless you can back it up from at least 3 contemporary sources from different parts of the world. You'd be surprised how different history is when viewed through various sources.

Vidal, whom I venerate, alas has feet of clay sometimes.
Because of his strong anti-US imperialist feelings, he tends sometimes to latch on to the latest somewhat questionable conspiracy theories---in "The Golden Age" it was the one that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance.
In his memoir "Point to Point..." he puts great stock in the latest JFK assassination plot "solution" by Thom Hartmann, which has been discredited by many serious researchers in the field.
I just feel that sometimes he lets his iconoclastic zeal impinge on his understanding of true history

When it comes to historical facts --speaking as a history major and sometimes history teacher-- we're on pretty sure ground. Modern historical and archaeological science have come a long way in reliably reconstructing the factual record of the past; and it helps that very few past writers knowingly wrote falsehoods in their representation of the facts themselves. (Those who did can usually be detected by ordinary techniques of investigation and assessment.) But when it comes to the interpretation of the facts, we enter a much more subjective realm. Was such-and-such an event a "good" or a "bad" thing --and for whom? What caused it, and what did it cause? What events and facts in history are "important" or "unimportant" --and why? Knowing the bare facts --and maybe discovering some more of those as we go along-- is only the beginning of those more important discussions; and those won't ever come to a definitive end until the world does.

"History is a myth agreed upon",
"History doesn't repeat itself---historians merely repeat each other"
And my own: "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it in summer school."

By coincidence, today an interesting Wikipedia page was brought to my attention. It has to do with "bias", which interferes with objective thinking. Evidently, the academic world has given labels to different kinds of bias in the way people think. They refer to it as "cognitive bias". The list is at the following Wiki page: ====>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...
An example of a kind of a cognitive bias is "confirmation bias", the tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions.
There are so many kinds of cognitive biases that one wonders how any accurate conclusions can ever be met!
There are also "memory biases". See: ====>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...
And if all of that doesn't confuse you, take a look at Wiki's page of links to "Thinking-Related Topics". (On this list of links, you will see links to the "cognitive biases" and "memory biases" which I mentioned above.)
My mind is still whirling after browsing those pages. :)


Lori, my neighbor just mentioned that book to me yesterday. She recommended it. She said it's on the Bestseller List.

It's a happy coincidence that I'm reading Gore Vidal's novel, _Burr A Novel_, at the same time because facts about Aaron Burr are mentioned in McCullough's _1776_.
I never thought I'd enjoy a book about war, but this book is holding my attention because it's so well done. It's sad to read about the many people who suffered and gave their lives in this war, despite the fact that the cause was a good one... liberty.

My Dean Koontz group is going to read the Frankenstein series and since I haven't read it yet, I'll be joining them as well as continuing with Amber.

...My Dean Koontz group is going to read the Frankenstein series"
Jackie, have you read anything by Dean Koontz before? I haven't.
GR says he is: "Acknowledged as "America's most popular suspense novelist...".
I think of him as writing scary stories. I wonder how scary they are.
Below are the Koontz books about Frankenstein which I was able to find at Goodreads:
Frankenstein The Original Screenplay - Signed Numbered Edition
Prodigal Son
Dean Koontz's Frankenstein Prodigal Son Volume 1
City of Night
Dead and Alive
I wasn't aware that he wrote about Frankenstein.

I wrote him a letter a few years ago, someone made a movie and ripped off the beginning of Intensity and it devolved into something really sick. I was livid! I got a form letter back, bcause I'm sure, thousands of fans wrote in about this very thing. But on that form letter he wrote me a note in his own handwriting, it was very cool. I still have it, and he now sends me his Useless News newsletter which is hysterically funny. That's another thing, he uses a lot of humor in his books, so even when things are dark, there's still an element of lightness. I really can't say he's a horror writer, no graphic violence, no sex, rarely a curse word. He's in a category all his own.
The only reason I didn't read the Frankenstein series is because I was waiting for the series to end. Anthony read them and is currently on the 3rd (an final ???) book.

His dog Trixie, who has since passed away, even 'wrote' a few books with all proceeds going to a dogs for the handicapped place near his home and where he got Trixie from. Those books are hysterically funny, I'd read them out loud at the dinner table and I couldn't eat I was laughing so hard. Bliss to You Trixie's Guide to a Happy Life by Trixie Koontz was my favorite.

In one of our threads we were talking about not liking to be scared by a book or movie. As I was watching a recent DVD of "Lord of the Rings", it occurred to me that I wasn't too frightened because most of the scary characters were imaginary beings, not people. There was some apprehension and worry for the cute little hobbits, but I figured that Tolkien wouldn't let them suffer too much.

It gets darker the further you go, but again, like with DK, there's the goodness of the people, hobbits, dwarfs, elfs and the depth of friendship and loyalty that is especially uplifting.
I saw them all in the theater, and in the 3rd one, in a particular scene, I won't say what so I don't ruin it for you, it was such a YES!!! moment, everyone, and I do mean everyone in a packed theater was on their feet, screaming and clapping and cheering! It was awesome! I've never seen that in a theater before!
Tell me what you thought of the music? I loved it; it all fit so perfctly with what was going on, and had an underlying Celtic theme to so much of it.
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One of her presents from us (me and hubby) is the cd audiobook "Dead and Gone" by Charlaine Harris. The narrator is great. Its funny, a bit of mystery and has vampires and werewolves (which Mom should enjoy).
I'll let you know what Mom thinks. There are about 8 cd's...wondering if Mom will get through 1!!!! LOL