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Captain Chaol Westfall ~ Character Discussion
manon and asterin are cousins though haha
Priya Westfall Carstairs Winchester Havilliard Stark Targaeryan Lightwood Lynch Parish Thorne Salvatore Queen Allen Blake Stilinski Ashryver O'Brien wrote: "This thread is mainly about chaol but it's fine if you wander.Also NONONO TO AELIN AND MANON!!! MANON AND ASTERIN!!!!!!!!! MANON AND ASTERIN FOREVER!!!"
they're cousins ?
They are?! WHAT?! NO!!!!!
yes manon blackbeak asterin blackbeakthey're super close though i loooveee it yknow as a family thing
Priya Westfall Carstairs Winchester Havilliard Stark Targaeryan Lightwood Lynch Parish Thorne Salvatore Queen Allen Blake Stilinski Ashryver O'Brien wrote: "They are?! WHAT?! NO!!!!!"yeah lmao they are best friends as well but it definitely says they're cousins in HoF lemme try to find a quote for you if i can
I shipped them so hard for such a long time this is so devastating.
Priya Westfall Carstairs Winchester Havilliard Stark Targaeryan Lightwood Lynch Parish Thorne Salvatore Queen Allen Blake Stilinski Ashryver O'Brien wrote: "I shipped them so hard for such a long time this is so devastating."“Had it been another witch, Manon would have dragged her by the neck to the front of the room and made her regret the insolence, but Asterin . . .
Even though Asterin was her cousin...”
Am I the only one who HATED Sorcha? I was sad for Dorian when she died, but she was only a distraction, trying to lessen Dorian's power with the iron drink thing. He should have been trying to control his power, not get rid of it!
Thanks for the quote Bailee! I don't know how I missed that. (My dreams for ManonxAsterin are crushed, but whatever now I can root for AELINXMANON)
Priya Westfall Carstairs Winchester Havilliard Stark Targaeryan Lightwood Lynch Parish Thorne Salvatore Queen Allen Blake Stilinski Ashryver O'Brien wrote: "Thanks for the quote Bailee! I don't know how I missed that. (My dreams for ManonxAsterin are crushed, but whatever now I can root for AELINXMANON)"bless. it is a very unlikely ship but one we can hope for nonetheless.
Ale, it's cool, don't worry, I'm excited too!Liz, I know he's getting his own POV *cries* but the review implied he's kinda left behind, so I'm assuming he's stuck in Wendlyn, though I don't doubt a reunion scene between them *cries again*
And I LOVE the Chaol/Dorian relationship! If all else fails and Chaelin really falls down the drain Chaol and Dorian have each other~
I don't understand why Aelin had to leave Rowan behind
Oh snap I just replied to a post ages ago and now suddenly a bunch more appeared up and now I look like the awkward bugger changing topics (damn hate it when that happens sorry folks)Also he can't be in Terrasan with her, since magic is blocked and all, says so in HoF.
SOFIA I FEEL YOU but she has to gather up the troops while rowan gathers his own allies for Aelin
Yes but how is Rowan talking to Aelin in QoS? Aelin must take the tower down somehow OR she goes back to visit Rowan :)
He would have to go in his Fae form and since magic isn't accessible in Adarlan I don't think the magic that keeps him immortal would work, much like Asterin and Manon and the other witches aren't immortal bc the magic is gone.. He would have to travel in his hawk form if he were to go and that'd be rather useless in terms of plot. But don't worry, we'll get his POV and their reunion :)
Also that's a happy smiley face bc I'm HAPPY ROWAN RETURNS
No, no, no. No going back to visit Rowan. It's fine. She doesn't need him. God no.
Yeah she does need Rowan....he's the first member of her court. And he got her through so much
She kind of does need him, he's the entire reason she is going back to Adarlan and the reason she's going to reclaim her throne.. he pulled her out of the spiraling darkness she was in he's so good for her and was a vital part of her character development not to mention the fact that he's her soul-mate and they're tethered together both by that and a blood oath for the rest of their lives.
Rowan grew on me. And the thing about no magic in terrasen doesn't make sense to me because Aelin can't use her magic either but she's still good at defending herself like Rowan. I just wish they could find allies together.
Sofia wrote: "Rowan grew on me. And the thing about no magic in terrasen doesn't make sense to me because Aelin can't use her magic either but she's still good at defending herself like Rowan. I just wish they c..."Yeah but Aelin's animal form is a human and Rowan's is a hawk, remember?
True, I forgot about that.
Sofia wrote: "True, I forgot about that."but what you said about the allies thing is totally true, i'm really hoping Rowan gathers allies for her in Wendlyn before their reunion
I think Rowan is just going to gather allies, get the Ashryver's on their side, hang out with his cadre, in QoS. Nothing that will effect the Ardalan plotline too much. I think the reunion is going to be towards the end, in a moment where Aelin realizes that while be a Queen of Shadows is a good way to accomplish her inmediate goals in the long run her people and kingdom need a queen of light. Or something like that.
While HoF put me off the Chaelin ship. I do still like Chaol and I'm rooting for him in QoS.
Chaol/Dorian BROTP!!!
Girls girls girls... there's a topic for Rowan and Aelin if you want.... this supposed to be about Chaol... lolJust returning to the main point :3
Iara wrote: "Girls girls girls... there's a topic for Rowan and Aelin if you want.... this supposed to be about Chaol... lol"I think that they used the topic for discussing about all the characters except for Chaol lol
I was linked to the topic by a friend I didn't even look at the title bc I thought she said it was a heir of fire chat in general yeah my bad
Back to Chaol appreciation then ☺️Do you guys think Chaol might become a commander ou something like that?
I think he and Celaena will team up to save aedion and Dorian.
Yeah, I think so too, but Chaol and Aelin will most probably be played a lot by Arobynn.But when everything is sorted out between them and the boys are rescued, I see a lot of potential for Chaol to become a strong leader.
I don't. Chaol doesn't like to lead. He likes to be pushed around and told what to do. I think it's one of the reasons why he gave up his position as Lord. He would much rather be taking orders from other people than making them himself. Though, the reviews I've read about Queen of Shadows suggest that he goes through some character development so maybe he no longer prefers to blindly follow someone else's lead. It took him three books to realize that the genocidal king he was in the service of was a bad guy and even longer than that considering he had been faithfully serving the man for years before the book's plot even started. Nevertheless, if his character is finally ready to move past that stage I have to admit I'm quite excited for that development.
But he was captain of the guard at glass castle. Meh led the guards at glass castle. Chaol didn't want to be a lord because he just doesn't like what it is, not because he doesn't like to lead (also he wanted to be near Dorian. If chaol didn't like to/want to/ or isn't good at leading then how did he get to the captain of guard position? Also why would he get rid of one leading position (lordship) for another (captain of Guard) if he couldn't/didn't like to lead. I think chaol can/is a great leader we just haven't seen it yet other than in some glimpses of his captain of Guard time.
Bailee: I think chaol did know (in a way) the King wasn't a good guy. He was at the glass castle and doing everything for Dorian. I don't think chaol was ever with the king. Really almost everything chaol had done in his life was to serve/protect Dorian. Nothing was really for the king. It was for Adarlan and Dorian.
Yes but as Lord he would've had to make more final decisions. As Captain of the Guard all he can really do is make suggestions. His guard respects him bc he's a decent guy and can fight really well. But when it comes down to it he hasn't had much real experience. He's a glorified swordsman. He's never led them home victoriously from battle or staged a cunning coup. And while it's admirable that he wanted to be near Dorian even they didn't see eye to eye for the majority of the book. Dorian was constantly disgusted by his father's actions and thoughts while Chaol didn't even question them. (view spoiler) Even when Celaena was going around "chopping off" innocent people's heads and extremities Chaol thought her actions were justified because the innocents she was "killing" were traitors to his beloved king. Captain of the Guard isn't that high of a title, he's just the watchdog at an impenetrable castle following the king's orders. He's not really "leading" anything at all.
Chaol seems like a follower not a leader. The leaders in this story are Aelin, Rowan, and maybe Dorian. Dorian has had experience in leading and in the politics of their world and Aelin and Rowan have had experience in battle and leading. While Chaol may be a decent fighter he isn't leader material. All Chaol really did in HoF was doubt Celaena and her intentions going back and forth between his loyalty to the kingdom or her, he never really took a stand and said "this is the right thing to do, so I'm going to do it" like a lot of the other characters.
Sofia wrote: "Chaol seems like a follower not a leader. The leaders in this story are Aelin, Rowan, and maybe Dorian. Dorian has had experience in leading and in the politics of their world and Aelin and Rowan h..."I feel like he did start to take a stand at the end of HOF. I mean, granted, it was one of the very last chapters, so it took him a while. I think we'll see more of his character developed in QOS.
Maybe, but Chaol's pov showed a lot of thinking about doing things but never actually doing them. All he did in the council room was shout at the king a bit and then he ran away and left Dorian to fight alone and Chaol doesn't even think Dorian is going to make it out alive but he still leaves him:“People screamed, and Chaol’s knees buckled. For a moment, he debated making a stand with his friend, right there and then.
But he knew that this had been the other trap. One for Aedion and Aelin, one for Sorscha. And this one—this one to draw out Dorian’s power.
Dorian had known it, too. Known it, and still walked into it so Chaol could escape—to find Aelin and tell her what had happened here today. Someone had to get out. Someone had to survive.”
Dorian wanted and needed Chaol to get away though. Chaol needed to get away in order to get help (which comes in the form of Aelin) chaol did not run away, he went to get help. If Dorian didn't signal in some way that he needed to leave, then he would not have left. He would have stood right there beside Dorian. But everyone in that room needed chaol to leave. So that is why chaol left.
I mean, maybe. I guess we'll never know. I was just using that to reinforce the fact that Chaol isn't really much of a leader. Dorian told him what to do so he did it. He thought about staying to help, just like he'd thought about doing a lot of things he never actually did. But in the end he's much better at doing what other people tell him to do.
Well, since some of you brought up that Chaol took three books to accept he has been serving a tyrant and suggested he's a unworthy character because of it, I thought I should remind you that it took Aelin ten years to Embraer her identity and fight for her kingdom.Let's not even mention how useless Dorian has been these three books in fighting the king. He never took a stand against his father even though he is in a positivos of power to do so. Seems like Chaol is not the one afraid of leading....
My point is: I don't get why some people criticize Chaol for the same things they claim to love in other characters.
That being said, I know my baby will kick major ass in QoS, so hopefully haters will either change their minds or simply have nothing to say :)
YES EM YES EXACTLY!!!
Yes let's compare privileged Chaol Westfall to Dorian and Aelin.Let's compare Chaol who willingly gave up his title, land, all contact with his family, and chose to serve a ruthless tyrant to Aelin and Dorian. Dorian who was born into this life and has absolutely no choice in whether or not he wants to be king some day. He's not allowed to love the only two women he's ever loved because they are beneath his family's standards, he can't cause any scenes because his father is a ruthless dictator, and he absolutely hates his life at court yet can't leave. Notice how the first time he really stands up to his father his girlfriend gets beheaded and he gets possessed by a demon from another realm. So yeah, great idea. Dorian is totally in a position to speak up.
As for comparing Aelin to Chaol honestly, how dare you?
Chaol willingly left his family behind and gave up his title to become captain of the guard. No one forced him to do anything. Do you think Aelin wanted her parents to be brutally murdered when she was only eight years old? Do you think she wanted to wake up drenched in their blood at only eight years old? Do you think she wanted the weight of an entire kingdom on her shoulders at only EIGHT YEARS OLD? Chaol is a grown man, he's over 20 years old. He should've been able to differentiate right from wrong a long time ago. Aelin knows right from wrong and she's only 16 years old at the start of the story. Not to mention, Aelin has hated herself for years because of what the king did to her family. Little, precious Aelin who woke covered in her parent's blood with the responsibility of a kingdom now all on her. Of course she wanted to run away. Of course she didn't want to be Aelin anymore. She didn't want to be Celaena either but she didn't have much of a choice, did she? Everyone she's ever loved has either died or betrayed her and you have the audacity to compare her character development to that of a little boy who tossed away his parents and his title like they were nothing when Aelin would have given anything to grow up with parents and a title? That comparison doesn't even make any sense. Their characters haven't had anywhere near the same back story or development. Maybe when Chaol's character has developed to the point where you can actually draw comparisons then I'll take what you have to say into consideration.
Chaol didn't choose to serve the king. It was actually Dorian's idea for him to become Captain of the Guard and Dorian was the one who convincente Brullo to train him, so they would be close to each other.I'll repeat: Chaol didn't choose to serve the king. Chaol chose the path to stay near his best friend, his brother, Dorian.
Also, it is clear to me that you are not a fan of his character, so why bother mating comments on a thread about him? ☺️ I am not trying to change your opinion or anything, but why bother with the hate on a thread supposed to be for people who love him?
Oh, and Chaol was 13 when he gave up the title :)
PREACH BAILEE PREACH!! maybe tone it down in the way you answer. We all love the characters and have different opinions.. But in the end it's just a story. Love your thought process though.
Aelin knows right from wrong??????? SERIOUSLY? She used to be an assassin for God's sake haha(i am sorry for the spelling mistakes, but autocorrect is a bitch sometimes)
Aelin knows right from wrong??????? SERIOUSLY? She used to be an assassin for God's sake haha(i am sorry for the spelling mistakes, but autocorrect is a bitch sometimes)
Also NONONO TO AELIN AND MANON!!! MANON AND ASTERIN!!!!!!!!! MANON AND ASTERIN FOREVER!!!