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Who thinks Bella should have ended up with Jacob?
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Sarah wrote: "Considering I have been in Bella's head throughout the series and know for a fact she never had romantic feelings for him. I disagree."Considering A) Bella admitted to having romantic feelings towards Jacob (and it actually is her mind.) B) everyone who read the series were in Bella's head throughout and C) the author said herself that Bella was in love with Jacob (and she created Bella's thoughts) your fact needs to be demoted to opinion.
Bella never wanted to go to college though that was what Edward and her family wanted her to do. It would have been the healthiest choice but it would have made for a very boring novel.
We don't actually know Bella never wanted to go to college because I imagine she had other plans before coming to Forks besides obsessing over a guy. And she actually wants to go to college in Breaking Dawn before impossible baby comes in and stunts any and all character development from every character in the series.
The fact of the matter is this is a romance novel through and through whether there's paranormal elements or not. And romance thrives on characters growing and changing to get to the healthiest romantic happily ever that will stay happily ever after instead of this happily ever after for now that we're given. The draw or interesting portion is the trials and tribulations that it took to get there and that's not boring. In fact there's lots of movies and books that are sold with this such as The Notebook or pretty much any Nicolas Sparks book. Now Twilight obviously didn't need to go to that overdone route, but to say healthy is boring is a little too presumptuous because it's proven to actually be interesting.
Considering A) Bella admitted to having roman..."Yeah it is in her mind because the book is (gasps) written in first person! When does Bella ever say she has romantic feeling for Jacob? Where was the spark when he forcefully kissed her? Come to think of it I just realized in no way Jacob would have been a healthy choice he sexual harassed her! Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel with these suitors.
Bella never had much character she was always as bland as white bread to begin with and we can only assume her desire based on the information given. She had no clear career goals or dreams particularly when she looks back on her past. She missed her home and looking after her mother.
Look I did not like Breaking Dawn anymore than you did the ending was not emotional satisfying and I said the character development was bad I also did not like the baby I explained this in my last paragraph I just used Edward as an example instead of Bella. So I'm not sure what your point on this is. I don't even like Twilight anymore I have read too many Paranormal Romances written by much more talented writers. I liked it at the time but now I am adult though I still read YA sometimes I prefer to read adult novels now.
I have read well over a hundred romance novels most of which is Paranormal Romance. The Too Stupid To Live heroine is a romance trope and sometimes as annoying as it may be it is necessary to on occasion blindly thrust the heroine into danger for the story to develop there must be conflict. Bella is TSTL to the max! http://www.heroesandheartbreakers.com...
I read the romance genre almost exclusively if the only writer you can mention is Nicolas Sparks (pukes). Who can't even admit to writing romance the stupid dickface his stuff is mostly melodrama anyway. For the record a romance novel can have a Happily For Now as well as Happily Ever Afters and still be good romance the RWA only requires a romance novel to "a central love story and an emotionally satisfying and optimistic ending." I have read several and when I read romances even after the ending I tend to assume the relationship will have regular ups and downs as all relationships do.
Sarah wrote: "Considering A) Bella admitted to having roman..."Yeah it is in her mind because the book is (gasps) written in first person! When does Bella ever say she has romantic feeling for Jacob? Where was ..."
I'm going to guess that you either forgot the end of Eclipse or just didn't read it, neither of which I'd condemn you for, but at at the end she tells him she's in love with him just not as much as Edward. But that really wasn't my point. My point was that saying she never had romantic feelings for Jacob was an opinion not a fact.
And my point with Nicolas Sparks wasn't that he was good, it was that he wrote interesting things or else he wouldn't sell so well. He sells a lot of books using them same formula for all of them and most of them seem to involve healthy relationships which people still find interesting, so saying that having this book portray a healthy functioning relationship with a healthy functional main character would be boring is presumptuous which was my point.
I don't really consider this book a paranormal romance mainly because if you took out the paranormal you would get pretty much the same results because there's not much emphasis on it, but more emphasis on who ends up with who in the end and not much else. For me consider this paranormal in any sense them being different has to cause legitimate problems that can't be solved with the snap of their fingers. That's why I consider this a romance novel through and through and does a pretty poor job of that due to lack of character growth.
So overall I was simply saying that your comment was not a fact, but a very strong opinion.
KarmaSc0rpi0n wrote: "Sarah wrote: "Considering A) Bella admitted to having roman..."Yeah it is in her mind because the book is (gasps) written in first person! When does Bella ever say she has romantic feeling for Jac..."
Paranormal romances do have healthy functioning couples the vast majority are as with most romance novel try reading a good PR novel for a change like the Psy-Changeling series rather than this pop crud. When I said that I meant the paranormal aspects are what made the story interesting because the characters are boring not that healthy relationships are.
If you took out the paranormal most of the book would not exist. Edward was attracted to Bella because he couldn't read her mind and she smells tasty plus being a vampire was the main conflict for the relationship in book 1 and the romance would not have been able to drag along as it had otherwise. The paranormal aspects are what made the book popular in the first place most PR books are targeted at adults never had there been a teen PR novel it was new and different I think that is why it became so popular.
Many awful books become popular its funny a lot books that get media attention tend to be the bad ones. Just because a book is popular does not make it interesting and it most certainly does not make it good. People just read them to see what the fuss is about or just want to jump on the crazy bandwagon.
Sarah wrote: "...try reading a good PR novel for a change ... rather than this pop crud" and "People just read them to see what the fuss is about or just want to jump on the crazy bandwagon." That's awful inclusive and very shortsighted. Just because you didn't like it doesn't mean others are doing it just to be a part of the latest trend. Some of us actually liked the Twilight series ... just as some people like vanilla ice cream and others chocolate. Each to their own. For what it's worth ... I also liked the Psy-Changeling series.
K wrote: "Sarah wrote: "...try reading a good PR novel for a change ... rather than this pop crud" and "People just read them to see what the fuss is about or just want to jump on the crazy bandwagon." That'..."I DID like Twilight when I was 16 I had found it in my sister's bookshelf collecting dust than consumed each book one after the other I had never read a PR before. It was new and unique as I mentioned in my reasoning for Twilight's popularity in the paragraph directly above the last one though many people did read Twilight just because it was getting a movie or because they heard about it through the media and it was popular that is not a bad thing.
Calling it crud is maybe a little harsh since I have read worse however, it still did not deserve all the attention it got. That is my opinion you probable disagree that is fine. I just hate how Twilight is the only representation of the PR genre most people are familiar with. It irritates me to no end when I talk about a PR novel and the first thing people say is "Oh so its like Twilight." than I have to explain how no it is nothing like Twilight.
Honestly, if you think of it, if bella chose Jacob Twilight book 1 would have no purpose. That book is about bella falling in love with edward then to have her dump him for Jacob in the middle end of the series wouldn't make any sense, well for me anyways.
Jamari wrote: "Honestly, if you think of it, if bella chose Jacob Twilight book 1 would have no purpose. That book is about bella falling in love with edward then to have her dump him for Jacob in the middle end ..."You see to me it has the same purpose no matter who she chooses: Bella comes to Forks and falls in love with a supernatural creature next book she does the same except with a different supernatural creature. In my mind the purpose of the first Twilight book was accepting people's differences, it's not really until the other books come around that I realized that's definitely not the purpose and it's way more shallow than I thought.
Then the purpose of the series seems to be: Bella choose to stay young and naive forever or decides to grow and mature. She obviously picked the former.
KarmaSc0rpi0n wrote: "Jamari wrote: "Honestly, if you think of it, if bella chose Jacob Twilight book 1 would have no purpose. That book is about bella falling in love with edward then to have her dump him for Jacob in ..."Ahh I see where you're coming from now
I am a team Jacob all the way. I don't think Bella should have chosen Edward.
Eventually, yes.I was Team Edward for a short while but my view changed as the movies went on (to the dismay of my mam). I guess she just likes vampires better. I usually would, but I was looking at the character of Jacob here.
It would mean so many things like she wouldn't have to change (become a vampire) or leave her family. Plus she'd be with someone who her dad actually likes.
I always remember the bit in Eclipse (or was it Breaking Dawn?) where Jacob says that if there was no such thing as magic, he and Bella would be together.
But I don't know. If there was no magic and if it was just him and Bella, then there'd be no point in Breaking Dawn or even the entire series.
I think Jacob had a crush on bella, it wasn't love. he's a nice guy and yeah she wouldn't have had to 'change' who she was to have a life with him but if she'd chose Jacob I don't think it would have lasted. The story couldn't have gone in that direction, what would the rest of it be about?
Michelle wrote: "I think Jacob had a crush on bella, it wasn't love. he's a nice guy and yeah she wouldn't have had to 'change' who she was to have a life with him but if she'd chose Jacob I don't think it would ha..."The rest of the book could have been about Bella maturing and growing into adulthood like the coming of age story this tries to be at times, but actually succeeding, because choosing Jacob was not a forever decision. You know maybe she does something with her life and develops a personality because the only time she has a semblance of one she's with Jacob, maybe she'll learn to have one by herself. Instead she chooses to stay with Edward and thus staying a static character when she had the potential to be a dynamic one. With Edward she is now forever young in the worst way possible because she still and will always have the mentality of an obsessive self-centered vapid teenager which gets old real quick (hence why the series ends when she's barely into her vampire phase).
And I won't even get into the "crush" thing since the author and the book clearly state he's in love with her, not to mention he actually shows it a great deal more than Edward or even Bella towards each other. Addiction is not love, nor for that matter obsession which is all Bella and Edward were able to show. Jacob not being as intense or obsessive actually proves he was the only one in any actual kind of love in that triangle while the other two linger in a static obsession (which I guess means they deserve each other).
if Bella had chose Jacob where in the story would you put that in? that's all I'm really saying, at the point where she chooses to be with Jacob instead of Edward you'd be rewriting the rest of the story. we could have a bit of fun with this, rewrite twilight where Bella chooses Jacob instead.
Michelle wrote: "if Bella had chose Jacob where in the story would you put that in? that's all I'm really saying, at the point where she chooses to be with Jacob instead of Edward you'd be rewriting the rest of the..."With the story the way it is, choosing Edward, simply is she gets married has a kid and lives happily ever after. How much different would that be if she chose Jacob in Eclipse. The same story route could still be taken with her getting married having a kid and living happily ever after just with growing old. (Her turning into a vampire is inconsequential because it adds literally nothing in her development, she could have stayed human and it would have the same effect on the story). The Voltori can still come and start a war because her being human violates their rules. The story doesn't really change that much when she choses Jacob, it could have gone almost the exact same way except she's human (and still has her relatability).
But yes, still there's a lot of what ifs and rewrites one could do to this series whether she chooses Jacob or not. It's just that choosing Jacob gave her a lot more options and thus gave the series the ability to not have a predictable (or as predictable) plot like it doesn't when choosing Edward.
this is like super old, freaking 4 years old, but let's be honest here. Bella should've dated BOTH of them. Instead of the tripe of Jacob imprinting on a BABY and everyone playing some tug-o-war game with Bella as the prize, the whole thing with the vampires and the werewolves could have been solved with Jacob also being involved with the relationship. Think about it, if they really loved Bella as much as they claimed to they wouldn't have put her through any of the emotional bullshit of having a love triangle forced on her. She literally says she loves Jacob and Edward, and I highly doubt this hasn't been done before in Vampire or WW culture, especially werewolves considering a chief had various wives. It could have also opened a door to the Cullens and the werewolves seeing eye to eye and learning to accept each other.
Leah wrote: "I think they all should've been turned into fairies and Edward would be their queen and he would decide which fairies he would want to turn to dust or let out into the human world spreading joy to ..."I agree. After a strict analysis of every independent aspect of the series, I have hereby concluded that this would be the most plausible conclusion.
I think Edward and Bella should be together
Funnybunny wrote: "I think Edward was overly protective and a jerk. Jacob truly loved her and they should have ended up together... what do you guys think?"i think so
To be honest, I think Bella Swan should have died. That adds a more realistic tone to the book.
I think Bella and Jacob would have been amazing! Edward was over protective and a bit creepy. I've read few comments about how Renesme wouldn't have existed... in all honesty I thought she was the most pointless character there was. I really didn't like the last book... but that's just me :)
In all honesty I have no hat in this ring, there's nothing distinct enough about Bella for her to have "should have" ended up with anyone. She could have ended up with generic guy #2 and the results would have been the same.
Purvika wrote: "few crucial points1.jake loved bella cuz in there somewhere there was renesmee and when ren came... there were just friendly feelings jake felt for bella
2. bella did love jake but edwards love ..."
What I don't get is the whole "All Jacob's love for Bella is actually for Renesmee" thing. Like I get it, during the pregnancy sure the attraction and happiness Bella felt for Jacob could have been Renesmee. But before the pregnancy??? I think Jacob liked Bella, not the future, unborn hybrid Renesmee. Like she literally isn't even made yet. How could Jacob's love for Bella been only for Renesmee if she wasn't even created.
Marija *There's No Poetry In My Soul, Just A List Of Lies I've Told* wrote: "I think she really should've ended up with Jacob. Edward is too cold and serious while Jacob seems real even when he's a wolf. I loved him from his first word and I'm still mad at Bella :p But I'm ..."I was watching someone react to the movies who was very funny. He said what I had thought when I read this: "If you think about the books Jacob literally never has a shot. There was never one moment where Bella was like 'hmm maybe Jacob" Never. It was always Edward and if I can't have Edward, I'll just die. And then maybe Jacob after that. So its Edward, death then Jacob."
I liked Jacob a lot too. I thought he was a bit pushy and annoying (though he was young) but he is as you put it- very real. But at the end of the day I thought Jacob deserves better than Bella. I know some people are like oh she would have been happier with him after all Edward left her in New Moon. But like she's barely getting by, she's like depressed without Edward.
It's unfair that Jacob keeps liking Bella even when he knows she'll never love him as much as he loves her. (or loved now) There is even a part that Jacob says something along the lines of: Maybe if Edward hadn't come into her life we could have been a thing. But he's like her drug and she's addicted whereas I could have been her sun, healthier. (Pretty sure he says that to Bella at some point). If Bella had chosen Jacob she would have ended up resenting him and wondering what it would be like with Edward and of course Jacob would have had to live with the fact he was 2nd choice.
I was (and still am) surprised that anyone could even ship Bella and Jacob. Honestly, I always see him as being younger and less mature than her. Jacob is so pushy and annoying, and Edward is so much better than him. Jacob was always a good second option, in case Edward didn't come back but, come on! We knew from the moment he said he didn't imprint on her that it was NOT going to work out. It was always Edward, sorry!
I do. I haven't re read twilight again since I was in high school and I'm 30 now but I always had a soft spot for Jacob. It may be time to start the series over again and see what I think now but regaurdless I loved it back in the day and always will because that series and harry potter made me want to read all the time. I owe a Lot to those 2 series.
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Jacob imprinting on Bella's baby was totally gross but Bella never wanted to go to college though that was what Edward and her family wanted her to do. It would have been the healthiest choice but it would have made for a very boring novel. Come on now Paranormal Romance and good life choices just don't mix!
Besides Bella just wanted to be with Edward which is why she tried repeated to convince Edward to change her.
What I don't like was how the baby forced Edward to change Bella. It took out a chance for character development. Edward thinks his soul is eternally damned that is why he refused to change Bella. The pregnancy gave no other alternative it gave him an easy way out so he doesn't have to conquer his past like every good Lost Soul hero has to do. It was a major cop out in that sense all his problems were magically cured.