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Who thinks Bella should have ended up with Jacob?
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Not me. Thought the Bella/Edward and Jacob/Renesmee match up was perfect.
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K wrote: "Not me. Thought the Bella/Edward and Jacob/Renesmee match up was perfect."I agree with you 1000%! I loved the ending to the book!
Cassandra wrote: "In my opinion, imprinting isn't "true love." It's a supernatural force making Jake "fall in love" with Ren. He had no choice in the matter. There's know way you just magically fall in love with someone you never met before, especially not a baby. It was a cheap and creepy way to wrap up Jake's story and give him a HEA."Totally agree here. And it's funny, in an interview, SM said that her stories are all about choice and free will. But then she contradicts herself putting this crappy ending in. Whether or not you agree that the hybrid is a plot hole, there's no free will in imprinting. Jacob has no choice, and by saying that there was a pull from RenFailmee to Jacob even in the womb, that implies no choice for her either. Just too contrived all over to give Jacob an HEA.
Olivia wrote: " just wondering what is HEA?"HEA = Hairbrained Embryonic Amorata
Just kidding. It means "happily ever after". ;p
I'd like to start by saying that i lost a bet and so i had to read all the books and all the movies. the movies were bad on all accounts so i'll stick to the books. In the books edward is made out to be this magical creature who falls in love with a girl just like us. but he actually fell in love for no actual reason other than the scent of her blood and the fact that he couldn't read her mind so he had to ask her all the stuff normal people talk about anyway so she didn't bore him.Edward is a no-it-all, showoff, pushy, stalker, overprotective, patronizing, obsessive, ill-tempered person that has some unknown connection with bella which can be summed up in the word infatuation. While yes it lasts, it's not realistic nor is relatable to us because if we were looking at the relationship honestly and not in a hopeless and naive fantasy world we would see that there isn't much to this relationship.
Bella is infatuated with Edward before she knows anything about him. Se sees him save er life but lie the whole time. he has awful mood swings but then she cracks his mystery and decides she loves him. As a realist and not particularly girly 16 year old, it's unreasonable for anyone other than 12-14 year old girls or desperate moms to actually believe that the love they share is anything more than an infatuation magnified by the sense of awe that accompanies the magic of the vampire.
Before I continue, I'd like to tell the nay-sayers that I love fantasy and I can appreciate magic and falling in love. I can't agree with bella falling for a guy who makes her decisions for her (yes i know she got to choose to be vamp)and doesn't legitimize real relationships that aren't 14 year old first dates. I mean seriously, they ad no physical intimacy at all. The whole series turned into a political drama about how being a virgin until marriage is the only way, abortion is never ok, and changing for your man in great.
Now, the other character introduced is Jacob. While the 3 way love triangle is what I know they were going for, Jacob really got the bad end of the stick. Yes he imprints on nessie. but she is just a product of his failure at is real love felt with his human part not his wolf part. He's the one who says that he's ate to imprint but agrees with leah that it's better than the pain of rejection. So yay for Jacob, he gets to be controlled by his wolf instincts for the rest of his life with a girl who is half his mortal enemy (she is part vamp afterall) but at least he's over bella!
I knew from the second his character was brought into the picture he wouldn't get bella but seriously to imprint with her daughter? that's bs and his character deserved more. They're ending isn't even explained. he's currently her protector and not getting any action. and he's got to wait 18 years before it's legal and by then he'll be old!
But I do think that his character belonged with bellas. Unlike with edward, Jacob was bella's friend before any romantic feelings were acknowledged. sure she flirted with him and e ad a crush on her, they're relationship had no obligations. He actually made bella feel better without her needing to be as overly-invested as she was with edward. His character I could relate to. Funny, akward, making friends, going through changes. and then of course he becomes a wolth and still tries to protect her while maintaining a normal friendship and keeping normal distance. (that means not watching her sleep and when he had stuff to do actually taking time away from her to do it!) though he did sort of push her to like him, he never actually gave the ultimatum that was implied with edward. he said he'd wait for her. he only became rushed when edward came back.
I think their relationship was much more like a real one while still holding onto the fantasy and to the magic of love. He understood her desire for sex and didn't patronize her for them, he didn't push marriage or anything ridiculously overbearing for 1.5 years of dating. He was also very attuned to her. he knew how to make her happy and he knew what upset her (cullens).personally i'd take warm over cold any day too.
aside from just the personality, the fact that bella needed to change so much just for edward is horrible. yes it was her choice but it was also sandy's from grease. she didn't need to switch for jacob to be happy but she knew that in order to truly be happy with edward she'd need to be like him. and so for that reason she was willing to give up college, her parents and all her friends. Jacob is as close to human as her options got her so she could enjoy a normal life while still having the magic that accompanies dating a wareworlf. plus I'd hope edward and the rest of them wouldn't abandon her simply cuz she chose jacob. they could be her friends.
To finish off I'd like to say that Jacob isn't perfect either. never meanth that he was. he's also smug and can be pushy but in the grand scheme of things, is a better person than edward ever was.
I think Jacob was worse than Edward he kept trying to force Bella into things
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NO BOOOO
its about 'imprinting' in twilight series; so unless jacob imprinted on bella, i dont see them 2gether
I think the real question should be Who thinks Jacob shouldn't have ended up with a child? Boy...Stephenie Meyer and her therapist have A LOT to talk about.
I think so but the story wouldn't have fitted as well if she wasn't with Edward!
At first I wanted Jacob to end up with Bella because he loved her so much. But then...Bella got on my nerves and I was glad he moved on. But then it was to a baby and that was super weird. And I know she was a kid by the end of the book but still weird. Could she at least have ended it with her being grown up so I could erase the kid love from my brain. I really liked Jacob. Didn't want him to go out like that!
Brooke wrote: "I don't know, both of them seem kind of abusive."I know, right?
I really like Jacob but I think Edward is better for Bella and then he wasn't really fall in love with Bella but with Reneesme ;-)
Honestly, now.I am Team Jacob and I personaly would always chose him, but for me it was always clear that she's going to chose Edward. It wouldn't really make sense if she's would have Chosen Jakob, I mean the whole Story line is about the lovestory between Bella and Edward.
I never liked Edward, in my opinion he's just Kind of annoying, but he's the right for Bella, he always was.
Lalluby wrote: "Honestly, now.I am Team Jacob and I personaly would always chose him, but for me it was always clear that she's going to chose Edward. It wouldn't really make sense if she's would have Chosen Jako..."
I agree. Team Jacob all the way
Rubidia wrote: "I'd like to start by saying that i lost a bet and so i had to read all the books and all the movies. the movies were bad on all accounts so i'll stick to the books. In the books edward is made out ..."Blimey, to say you read it because you lost a bet, you remember a lot about it and have very clear views. I read the books a few years ago and have forgotten details. The films were a bit laughable; Kristen Stewart is more than a bit annoying. I disliked the ending of the last book. We'd built up to a huge battle which didn't happen, so by then, I didn't really care who she was married to. I will say that I'm glad Bella got to at least have a snog with Jacob. That was essential for the reader. There was never any question about her not ending up with Edward. The question SM wanted to have hanging over us for four books was: will she or won't she become a vampire. SM wanted us to fall in love in Edward and did her best to have that happen. Jacob was only ever going to be the interesting/interested 3rd party. Bit weird that Bella would eventually become his mother-in-law!!!
Now if you're asking who has the better chest of the two........ Lol!!
Just for fun, for those folks who feel that Jacob was the natural choice for Bella if Edward never existed, here's a little fic called:Wish Granted
I should mention that the author is NOT Team Jacob. Enjoy! :)
no renessme makes perfect sense!!! NO!!!!
Maria wrote: "no renessme makes perfect sense!!! NO!!!!"Hmm, I'd have to disagree with you there. RenFailmee doesn't make perfect sense because according to Meyer's world building, she shouldn't exist.
Meyer sterilized all of her vamps the instant she made them living stone - neither male nor female should be making babies. So while Bella shouldn't have ended up with Jacob, neither should RenFailmee, because she's a plot hole.
I thought Jacob had a better personality and was more fun, funnier, he lightened her up. He was protective of her, but not to the point of suffocation. He allowed her to be her.
it would've sucked....they look good as being just friends..
All yall who think that is wrong edward was made for bella and jacob was made for hell! Howmcould he do that to renesmee!! And olivia is right it's the love trainagle!!
Nyasia wrote: "All yall who think that is wrong edward was made for bella and jacob was made for hell! Howmcould he do that to renesmee!! And olivia is right it's the love trainagle!!"He didn't do anything to Nessie. Imprinting is obviously against their will and not something they can do or have any choice in.
Nop its obvious from the beginning that Bella never had any feelings for Jacob besides friendship. Its hard to see it as a love triangle when I new from the beginning who Bella would end up with. Jacob presence was rather annoying he reminded me of a big temperamental child. Love triangle? What love triangle?
Jake is a nice guy but he doesn't deserve Bella. And a times he does not give up easily. Edward understands Bella better and are perfect match.
No! If they hadn't I wouldn't be here, and I wouldn't have Jake!
i don't you all heard it newmoon and read abut it bella was in PAIN when it came to edward leaving they be long together!
Funnybunny wrote: "I think Edward was overly protective and a jerk. Jacob truly loved her and they should have ended up together... what do you guys think?"And YOUR SO WRONG you don't even now it wats ur problem with edward??!!
and no renessme to be born some nasty and warewolf baby! And warewolfs have no control over themselves! FWI!
*hand shoots into space*
Storm E. wrote: "*hand shoots into space*"? what?
Nope. Not in million years, unless of course they imprinted on each other. Which they didnt, so no.Also I dont understand criticism on imprinting. I think it was kind of cool, and also I dont find it that different from what Cullens have. But they call each others soulmates. But if you think about it, they are kind of imprinted on each other as well.
I dont think its any different from true love actually. Sometimes you look at someone and you just know...I think that is what SM was trying to say.
Imprinting and Edward aside, I dont know if Bella and Jake could be happy, maybe.
imposable jacob could hurt bella like emily and sam
okay so let me make this clear, Bella chose edward because she was in love with him ANYONE would no that if you read and watch the movies of twilight jacob is her best friend and thats all!!! Some like to DREAM about jacob and bella buts it's not gonna happen! I hate jacob and for what he did to bella and edward's daughter is messed up like crap! he was so nice at the begining and he changed when he became a warewolf more... wolfy and mean!
One thing's for sure. If Bella did end up with Jacob, no way would he have let her give a baby that godawful name.
I think her names amazing!
Veronika wrote: "Also I dont understand criticism on imprinting. I think it was kind of cool, and also I dont find it that different from what Cullens have. But they call each others soulmates. But if you think about it, they are kind of imprinted on each other as well."I think the reason imprinting is criticized isn't because of the concept of imprinting itself. It was because of the way it was executed in this book. Imprinting between mature people of similar age was fine. It was a mechanism to improve the strength of the pack. I don't recall any outcry when Sam imprinted on Emily or even Jared and Kim.
But when Jacob imprinted on RenFailmee? Completely unsavory, because people think it's gross. It's obvious that the Quil/Claire imprinting was written to introduce the idea of a mature male and a pre-pubescent child. Why do you think SM has insisted repeatedly that the relationship is platonic? Well they sure ain't acting like it's platonic.
Platonic means either party can walk away at any time. Yet neither Jacob or Quil can even think about being away from their imprint. Jacob gives RenFailmee a promise bracelet. That's not platonic. You have mature males, acting as caregivers for children. Even if the adults have no "urges" at the moment, they understand intellectually that the relationship with their charges will one day become sexual. That's not platonic. In fact it's rather disgusting.
If SM had kept it between mature adults of consenting age, then it would have been fine. When she wrote Quil and Claire, she crossed the line.
Rel8tivity wrote: "Veronika wrote: "Also I dont understand criticism on imprinting. I think it was kind of cool, and also I dont find it that different from what Cullens have. But they call each others soulmates. But..."Renesmee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nyasia wrote: "Renesmee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Sorry. I can see you like her but she's always going to be RenFailmee to me, because it was such a failure on so many levels. I'm not into weird made-up names, and her mere presence breaks the story. First 100 pages or so of BD were decent, but then came the impossibaby. It was all downhill from there.
Veronika wrote: "Nope. Not in million years, unless of course they imprinted on each other. Which they didnt, so no.Also I dont understand criticism on imprinting. I think it was kind of cool, and also I dont fin..."
Imprinting bothers me for two reasons:
1) There's no free will involved. I don't find anything romantic about some supernatural force making me love this person.
2) There's no age limit. I don't what Stephanie was thinking when she decided to have Jake imprint on a baby. Or Quil and Claire. I mean, that's just creepy.
Cassandra wrote: "1) There's no free will involved. I don't find anything romantic about some supernatural force making me love this person."That's an interesting point. I remember an interview with SM, in which she claims that the concept of choice and free will is very important in her stories. Yet here she creates a pivotal story concept that completely eliminates choice. Not very clear on the concept of choice or free will.
"2) There's no age limit. I don't what Stephanie was thinking when she decided to have Jake imprint on a baby. Or Quil and Claire. I mean, that's just creepy."
I agree, I hate that she went this route. And for what? To tie up 3 plot arcs in too-neat of an author-contrived bow. Having Jacob and Bella hash out their issues like normal people would have been much better than "We're good now. I'm in love with your baby." Even if she had written things so the baby was possible, it would have made for a creepy plot resolution.
It's not right Edward is her true mate.
I personally feel that Bella should have chosen Jacob. It would have been the healthier choice and would have been an unexpected twist. I feel like Jacob and Bella would have had a very honest and adult relationship. Jacob knew her Better than anyone else and she didn't feel like she wasn't good enough for him. Breaking Dawn was horrible. Vampires had been established as not being able to have children and I feel that Bella should have had to live with her decision. Never being able to have children, to never see or talk to her family again, to watch as everyone she knew grew old, got jobs, had children, and died while she forever stayed 18 with only Edward and his family for all eternity dealing with an unquenchable thirst for human blood. I feel like Breaking Dawn was a cop out. And Jacob imprinting on Bella's baby. ..Gross.
Jacob hated imprinting and he loved Bella.
I think that they should have talked it out. Bella chose Edward and Jacob should have had to deal with it. If Edward had turned her on there honeymoon and Jacob showed up I think that would have been something much more interesting.
Could Jacob really kill his friend?
How would Edward and Bella's relationship handle the change?
Would he really be able to stop her from hurting the people she loved?
But instead we got a magic baby with a stupid name.
Leaving Jacob single at the end would have been better. He could have been forever effected by what happened with Bella and sworn to live his life because Bella couldn't.
It would have left room for a werewolf series Stephanie Myer could have wrote about the pack from Jacob's mind after Bella turned.
But I think the best choice for Bella's life would have been for her to choose herself. Neither relationship was perfect. Both Jacob and Edward had some fatal flaws that would have been definite deal breakers if they had been real. If Bella had chosen not to go through with the wedding and instead chose to go to college or just chose to live. That would have been a much better lesson and Edward could've grown in her absence as they both learned that they could survive without each other but realized that they didn't want to because they loved each other so much.
And the title Breaking Dawn could have been a symbol of Bella breaking free from the shackles that Edward and Jacob put on her.
Just my opinion.
Leah wrote: "I think they all should've been turned into fairies and Edward would be their queen and he would decide which fairies he would want to turn to dust or let out into the human world spreading joy to ..."LOL.
deleted user wrote: "They're both just so intense and extreme. Bella's a little too plain to be with either in a truly successful relationship. She should've gone with Mike when she had the chance. They're both mellow ..."yes but mike is just some player who was only there to create more drama and push Bella to Edward. I have always wondered what would happen if Jake and Bella got together, maybe if he imprinted on her. there are always good fanfics to read if you ship Jake and Bella.
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Jacob deserved Bella hands down he has always been there for her and would always wait for her I honestly think that Edward was just to creepy for Bella and it's just weird that there's a chance of romance between him and ren
Tammy wrote: "I personally feel that Bella should have chosen Jacob. It would have been the healthier choice and would have been an unexpected twist. I feel like Jacob and Bella would have had a very honest and ..."I agree with you 100%. The series should have either owned up to the dynamics it created or moved towards a more healthy dynamic so everything would have been more believable and thus more enjoyable.
Considering I have been in Bella's head throughout the series and know for a fact she never had romantic feelings for him. I disagree.
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