Twilight
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Is Stephenie a bad writer?
Gerd wrote: "Steph probably just thought it inopportune to mention. :) "Too bad, it would have made book much better :-p
Gerd wrote: "I don't think that calling Edward beautiful counts as a mistake"
Of course it doesn't. But repeating it a billion times could only pass in a parody.
Zoran wrote: "Of course it doesn't. But repeating it a billion times could only pass in a parody."I'm afraid I'm so used to read about puppy love, that this didn't register with me as out of the ordinary.
Gerd wrote: "I'm afraid I'm so used to read about puppy love"Awwwwww :-)))
I don't think she is a bad writer by any means..Ya,may be her way of writing is different from others but its always nice to see writters which have different way of story telling.Some people could relate with her method,some not.But at the end of the day,success matters and she has earned it.Truly deserving,all credit should go to her,to take a risk of being different and come out with something fresh and new.
Anu wrote: "I don't think Stephanie is a bad writer. She did fantastic with her first book Twilight. It was her later books, perhaps, that brought this disgrace of not being a crafty author. I remember seeing ..."Yes..I agree with you..The very first book was best among all.Once you write an awnsome book,people's expectation with the writter goes high,,she raised the bar for herself..May be this could be the reason behind her critism,otherwise I don't find any remarkable flaw in her books.
Jocelyn wrote: "Eh, at the moment I don't care. I've never been a huge vampire fan. I can see why vampire fans would be annoyed, but I guess I'll suspend judgement for now until I do become a vampire fan, if ever. "Here's the kicker: I'm not a big vampire fan at all. I used to be, before Rice went off the rails with Tale of the Body Thief and the market became saturated with bad horror novels (many of which had vampires, just because "OMG VAMPIRES!!!") due to horror's popularity in the late '80s. I got badly burned out on them and just stopped reading anything with a leech in it.
There's just enough of a fan left in me to say Meyers not only dropped the ball on the lore, she pretty much shit all over it before preceding to drop-kick it into the Pacific Ocean (probably while being warmed by a fire started with $50s and $100s she stole from unsuspecting teens who actually bought that brain-damaging garbage).
It's not worth becoming a vampire fan anymore, but it is worth just reading some of the better adaptations of the myth. The best re-imagining (in my opinion) is The Hunger: no sparkles, no burning by sunlight... just a vampire, her husband, and science (yes, science... but it works!).
I hadn't even realised that the Tony Scott movie was based on a novel. It's a terrific movie, though and definitely one of the better of the million vampire-based movies that are out there.
@ Mickey
Okay, I'm just going to address the two most insulting things I found about your insult-saturated post.
I'll tell you right now: I don't foresee ever having a civil conversation with you. You've gone past the point with your behavior where that would be a possibility. There are lasting consequences for your actions, Jocelyn.
It was me who tried to have a civil conversation with you. It was me who put an attempt into disagreeing respectfully. I asked you multiple times what you found rude in my posts, so I could go back, fix it, and so we could talk nicely again (as if we ever did). The thing I've found is that no matter what tone I try to use with you, whether it's nice, ranting and ranging, cold civility, whatever, your response tone remains exactly the same.
The first time we interacted with each other, was when I had posted a thread: "What are the positive aspects of Twilight?" And the first thing you posted on there was to scold me for using a certain word, then lecturing me on how to act like a reasonable person. Part of me wonders if you just saw the one-star rating besides my name and immediately decided to treat me differently than you would a fan. You have never given me the benefit of doubt, and since you never have (while I have, multiple times), I think the blame falls to you. Your actions have lasting consequences as well.
Look around you and see where you belong. You belong with Bill and Zoran. These are your comrades. These are the people who actually think your behavior is okay. You are BFFs with people who wish Meyer pancreatic cancer and the other a run of the mill troll. Nice company. And you think you have the moral high ground? That's another level of delusion.
The problem I've had with you, ever since you first interacted with me, is that you keep addressing me as part of a group, rather than an individual. Since I'm part of the Big Ugly Mean Gang of Anti-Twilighters, I deserve to be talked down to. This is further evidenced by the fact that you're telling me who my comrades and BFFs are. Then you go on to base a massive assumption like that on the simple fact that my views agree with many of Bill's and Zoran's, and you obviously think you can make such assumptions with accuracy.
I do not wish Meyer pancreatic cancer, and I have no idea when I ever implied anything of the kind. Don't use others' views and statements to paint a bad picture of me. I am an individual, an individual with an individual brain, and individual views. You have no right to tell me who my friends are and where I belong. NONE. Because you know what it's called? Cyberbullying, that's what. I can't believe you're actually encouraging division by putting me in a box with others.
I'll tell you again: every assumption you made about me is complete and utter shit, and I certainly have the right to say so, since those assumptions are about me.
Okay, I'm just going to address the two most insulting things I found about your insult-saturated post.
I'll tell you right now: I don't foresee ever having a civil conversation with you. You've gone past the point with your behavior where that would be a possibility. There are lasting consequences for your actions, Jocelyn.
It was me who tried to have a civil conversation with you. It was me who put an attempt into disagreeing respectfully. I asked you multiple times what you found rude in my posts, so I could go back, fix it, and so we could talk nicely again (as if we ever did). The thing I've found is that no matter what tone I try to use with you, whether it's nice, ranting and ranging, cold civility, whatever, your response tone remains exactly the same.
The first time we interacted with each other, was when I had posted a thread: "What are the positive aspects of Twilight?" And the first thing you posted on there was to scold me for using a certain word, then lecturing me on how to act like a reasonable person. Part of me wonders if you just saw the one-star rating besides my name and immediately decided to treat me differently than you would a fan. You have never given me the benefit of doubt, and since you never have (while I have, multiple times), I think the blame falls to you. Your actions have lasting consequences as well.
Look around you and see where you belong. You belong with Bill and Zoran. These are your comrades. These are the people who actually think your behavior is okay. You are BFFs with people who wish Meyer pancreatic cancer and the other a run of the mill troll. Nice company. And you think you have the moral high ground? That's another level of delusion.
The problem I've had with you, ever since you first interacted with me, is that you keep addressing me as part of a group, rather than an individual. Since I'm part of the Big Ugly Mean Gang of Anti-Twilighters, I deserve to be talked down to. This is further evidenced by the fact that you're telling me who my comrades and BFFs are. Then you go on to base a massive assumption like that on the simple fact that my views agree with many of Bill's and Zoran's, and you obviously think you can make such assumptions with accuracy.
I do not wish Meyer pancreatic cancer, and I have no idea when I ever implied anything of the kind. Don't use others' views and statements to paint a bad picture of me. I am an individual, an individual with an individual brain, and individual views. You have no right to tell me who my friends are and where I belong. NONE. Because you know what it's called? Cyberbullying, that's what. I can't believe you're actually encouraging division by putting me in a box with others.
I'll tell you again: every assumption you made about me is complete and utter shit, and I certainly have the right to say so, since those assumptions are about me.
Bill wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "Eh, at the moment I don't care. I've never been a huge vampire fan. I can see why vampire fans would be annoyed, but I guess I'll suspend judgement for now until I do become a vampi..."
Ah, whatever. Times evolve. Perhaps vampires will change in accordance to my taste and I'll become a fan anyway. Whether I do or not, doesn't really matter to me.
Ah, whatever. Times evolve. Perhaps vampires will change in accordance to my taste and I'll become a fan anyway. Whether I do or not, doesn't really matter to me.
This is first and foremost for young adult females. In the excerpt below. Teenage Bella's voice and SM's adult description of the speaker's body language intermix in such a way that it feels like SM puts the conversation on training wheels for those without imagination. Here SM hammers home Lauren does not like Bella and is a B****.
[Random Twilight dialogue. Conversation is in BOLD.]
"You know Bella, Jacob?" Lauren asked—in what I imagined was an insolent tone—from across the fire.
"We've sort of known each other since I was born," he laughed, smiling at me again.
"How nice." She didn't sound like she thought it was nice at all, and her pale, fishy eyes narrowed.
"Bella," she called again, watching my face carefully, "I was just saying to Tyler that it was too bad none of the Cullens could come out today. Didn't anyone think to invite them?" Her expression of concern was unconvincing.
"You mean Dr. Carlisle Cullen's family?" the tall, older boy asked before I could respond, much to Lauren's irritation. He was really closer to a man than a boy, and his voice was very deep. [Is the last sentence needed for this teenage girl's Bella's thoughts? Feels more like SM]
"Yes, do you know them?" she asked condescendingly, turning halfway toward him.
"The Cullens don't come here," he said in a tone that closed the subject, ignoring her question.
Tyler, trying to win back her attention, asked Lauren's opinion on a CD he held. She was distracted.
I stared at the deep-voiced boy, taken aback, but he was looking away toward the dark forest behind us. He'd said that the Cullens didn't come here, but his tone had implied something more—that they weren't allowed; they were prohibited. His manner left a strange impression on me, and I tried to ignore it without success.
This dialogue is hard for me. It spells everything out and it makes the dialogue too slow. At times, it reads like a movie script filled with bracketed directions for the actors and directors. We only learn Lauren is snotty and Cullen's are mysterious, naturally, readers know they're vampires but this is to build suspense. It is just wordy.
I would bet somebody could edit this same excerpt but use half the words.
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Jocelyn wrote: "Your response makes me wonder if you read the first five words and started typing. I said in this conversation alone. This conversation, with you and me arguing on antis being insulted in the past. In this conversation alone, I was civil. More civil than you were, anyway."Why should I limit myself to what you want to talk about when we're discussing whether you've been civil? What gives you that right? What makes you think you get a fresh start or a free pass?
Jocelyn wrote: "Simply since I'm an anti-Twilighter and I'm part of the nasty anti-Twilighters who were rude to fans, you just have to be rude to me. I don't get it. Why? I am an individual, not a simple part of some enemy group of anti-Twilighters like you keep acting."
This is a misrepresentation. I'm discussing things that you have done, not others. You said I "indirectly" called you an idiot, not once but twice. You've been misrepresnting me throughout this thread. I said before: your behavior is such that people like Zoran and Bill gravitate towards you as one of their own. Your behavior. You. I have a problem with you, not because you don't like a book I do. (BTW, I've had countless civil discussions with people who didn't like the book. Of course, you don't know anything about that, but just try to characterize me through your own need for establishing a parity between antis and fans.)
I wonder if you think that you couching it in terms like this actually convices people. I think you must, because you keep doing it. I've talked to you about your magic words before. They still don't work.
Jocelyn wrote: "And even if it was, I don't think anyone can deny how rude it is to take it, rip it apart, and call the statement ridiculous."
It is ridiculous, because of the fact that you made a sweeping statement based on absolutely no perspective or evidence. You did not express a preference such as "I like candy". You made a definitive statement about the history of these threads, which is false.
Jocelyn wrote: "First off, you have NO RIGHT to tell me who my comrades are and who my BFFs are."
Sure I can. You had no right to say the kinds of things that you've been saying to me. Yet you have. If you want to not have people categorize you, don't do it to others. You've been telling me what I'm like and what I've been doing for a lot longer.
And I never said you wished Meyer to get pancreatic cancer. When did I say you said that? This is just more misdirection. I hope you're not contesting that Bill said that, because he did. Saying that Bill said that is perfectly truthful.
This new defense of your is flimsy. My problem with you is based on your behavior. And you know that. This is another attempt to muddy the waters. It's just what you do and the kind of character you have.
@ Mickey
I'm really tired to you twisting my statements to something completely different, so I'm just going to quit arguing.
Can I just ask: Can we wipe the slate clean, and start over? I think the problem here is that your past experiences with me are affecting significantly the way you address me, while my posts do not. Let's start over, and treat each other like equals, instead of telling me " It's just what you do and the kind of character you have." It's not fun to be treated like subhuman gutter trash.
And no, you do not have the right to tell others who their friends are and where they belong. I hope you're aware that there's a name for this: cyberbullying. You're thirty seven years old. I hope you're mature enough to see that putting people in a box and then making assumptions on it is not okay. And please don't tell me I've done the same thing, because that's besides the point, and it doesn't mitigate the way you've talked down to me.
So can we just wipe the slate clean, and start over? Please answer with a simple yes or no, and cut out the pointless insults.
I'm really tired to you twisting my statements to something completely different, so I'm just going to quit arguing.
Can I just ask: Can we wipe the slate clean, and start over? I think the problem here is that your past experiences with me are affecting significantly the way you address me, while my posts do not. Let's start over, and treat each other like equals, instead of telling me " It's just what you do and the kind of character you have." It's not fun to be treated like subhuman gutter trash.
And no, you do not have the right to tell others who their friends are and where they belong. I hope you're aware that there's a name for this: cyberbullying. You're thirty seven years old. I hope you're mature enough to see that putting people in a box and then making assumptions on it is not okay. And please don't tell me I've done the same thing, because that's besides the point, and it doesn't mitigate the way you've talked down to me.
So can we just wipe the slate clean, and start over? Please answer with a simple yes or no, and cut out the pointless insults.
Mickey wrote: "I'm going to make a prediction here. This will only mean something to us old-timers, but anyway: If you remember the Paul/Will/Hazel gang that used to be on here, I think we are seeing another such..."
*sigh* I just hope you're aware that this is something a mature adult would not do, whether it's warranted or not. That's all I'm saying, and any offense is completely unintended.
*sigh* I just hope you're aware that this is something a mature adult would not do, whether it's warranted or not. That's all I'm saying, and any offense is completely unintended.
Jocelyn wrote: "So Mickey, can we just wipe the slate clean, and start over?"If by "wipe the slate clean" you mean that we'll go our respective ways and not deal with each other again, I'm absolutely in favor. I don't want conversations. I don't want responses from you to my posts. I want you to leave me alone, basically. I want you to not refer to me or address me directly or indirectly again.
It's clear to me that it still hasn't sunk in for you that this reaction is a result of your behavior and is not something that happens to every anti I come across, but I imagine you'll have countless opportunities to learn in your lifetime.
Mickey wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "So Mickey, can we just wipe the slate clean, and start over?"
If by "wipe the slate clean" you mean that we'll go our respective ways and not deal with each other again, I'm absolu..."
No, Mickey. All I'm asking is that I don't want our past experiences with each other to affect how we address each other unless it's within the actual conversation. Can we just leave it at that we're both in the wrong, we've both done rude things, and we're willing to start over?
Because we've both started "fights." I did it with the Zoran incident. You did it with my conversation with Diane. We're both wrong. Is that satisfactory to you?
Also, I'd just like the point out: if you're allowed to decide who my friends are and tell me where I belong, I"m perfectly allowed to reference you, address you, and discuss with you whenever I want. We are equal citizens of the world, remember. I am not subhuman gutter trash with less rights than you have.
I just wish you'd disagree with me without talking down to me, because if you do that, I'm more than willing, even eager, to do the same. If you don't, then anything I throw back at you is perfectly justified. You don't seem to process this either.
If by "wipe the slate clean" you mean that we'll go our respective ways and not deal with each other again, I'm absolu..."
No, Mickey. All I'm asking is that I don't want our past experiences with each other to affect how we address each other unless it's within the actual conversation. Can we just leave it at that we're both in the wrong, we've both done rude things, and we're willing to start over?
Because we've both started "fights." I did it with the Zoran incident. You did it with my conversation with Diane. We're both wrong. Is that satisfactory to you?
Also, I'd just like the point out: if you're allowed to decide who my friends are and tell me where I belong, I"m perfectly allowed to reference you, address you, and discuss with you whenever I want. We are equal citizens of the world, remember. I am not subhuman gutter trash with less rights than you have.
I just wish you'd disagree with me without talking down to me, because if you do that, I'm more than willing, even eager, to do the same. If you don't, then anything I throw back at you is perfectly justified. You don't seem to process this either.
Mickey wrote: " is not something that happens to every anti I come acrossDon't worry Jocelyn, you're in good company. Only the very best antis are this privileged y'know.
Personally, I'm still pondering the consequences of my terrible behaviour. I'm hoping that if I'm good and work hard and never desecrate this shrine to the almighty Meyer again, in 50 years time I might be allowed to kiss the soles of Mickey's shoes.
Looks like Mickey's got a stick up her ass if she's that butthurt :|
Alex wrote: "Mickey wrote: " is not something that happens to every anti I come across
Don't worry Jocelyn, you're in good company. Only the very best antis are this privileged y'know.
Personally, I'm still ..."
If only I could feel privileged. *eye roll*
Good luck working hard, Alex! There's hope for you yet.
Don't worry Jocelyn, you're in good company. Only the very best antis are this privileged y'know.
Personally, I'm still ..."
If only I could feel privileged. *eye roll*
Good luck working hard, Alex! There's hope for you yet.
Jocelyn wrote: "No, Mickey. All I'm asking is that I don't want our past experiences with each other to affect how we address each other unless it's within the actual conversation. Can we just leave it at that we're both in the wrong, we've both done rude things, and we're willing to start over?"No, Jocelyn. If you're going to address me again, the same thing is going to happen. I've had apologies from you before. That hasn't worked. In fact, you've actually done the exact thing you apologized for within a 24 hour period.
Not that you've apologized this time, I've noticed, but again, are interested in establishing a parity (although you've completely forgot about busting in to my conversation with Carina, which was already over).
If you simply want to start over so your past actions are not part of the record, I wonder what I'm getting out of the deal.
I made clear what I wanted. I want out of the whole deal. I don't want anything to do with you. I don't want you talking to me or talking to others about me. That's my counteroffer.
Mickey wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "No, Mickey. All I'm asking is that I don't want our past experiences with each other to affect how we address each other unless it's within the actual conversation. Can we just leav..."
I'm not apologizing. I've learned that it doesn't work, either.
If you simply want to start over so your past actions are not part of the record, I wonder what I'm getting out of the deal.
Your past actions are out of the record, as well. You've been just as rude to me as you claim I've been to you.
What if one of us slips up and insults the other? Then can you accept a few PMs to smooth out the problem?
That's the compromise. We'll respectfully block each other, but we can communicate if one of us slips up. Also: I can address you indirectly, if I'm just randomly commenting (like the "what can vampires do instead of sparkle") and adding my input.
And: please say yes or no, otherwise I don't know 100% you've accepted it or not.
I'm not apologizing. I've learned that it doesn't work, either.
If you simply want to start over so your past actions are not part of the record, I wonder what I'm getting out of the deal.
Your past actions are out of the record, as well. You've been just as rude to me as you claim I've been to you.
What if one of us slips up and insults the other? Then can you accept a few PMs to smooth out the problem?
That's the compromise. We'll respectfully block each other, but we can communicate if one of us slips up. Also: I can address you indirectly, if I'm just randomly commenting (like the "what can vampires do instead of sparkle") and adding my input.
And: please say yes or no, otherwise I don't know 100% you've accepted it or not.
Jocelyn wrote: "If only I could feel privileged. *eye roll* I can't honestly say that any conversation I had with Mickey was a life-enriching experience. I can't honestly say that they were anything other than a complete waste of time ... so she's doing me a favour by completely ignoring me.
What does that mean "block each other"? Does that mean that you aren't going to talk to me or about me or reference me in any way, either directly or indirectly? I want it spelled out so there's an understanding of what to expect. I think using vague terms will not be helpful.
Mickey wrote: "What does that mean "block each other"? Does that mean that you aren't going to talk to me or about me or reference me in any way, either directly or indirectly? I want it spelled out so there's an..."
Okay.
I can address you indirectly (if it's, like I said, adding my input on something like "what can vampires do instead of sparkle"). I won't step into any of your conversations with others.
If one of us slips up, then we can PM each other, smooth out the situation, and go our separate ways, and we should leave out any insults, derogatory language, or any hint/tone of arrogance, condescension, and anger.
By blocking each other, I mean literally blocking each other. I just found out that it prevents us from PMing each other though, so just ignore this comment.
Okay.
I can address you indirectly (if it's, like I said, adding my input on something like "what can vampires do instead of sparkle"). I won't step into any of your conversations with others.
If one of us slips up, then we can PM each other, smooth out the situation, and go our separate ways, and we should leave out any insults, derogatory language, or any hint/tone of arrogance, condescension, and anger.
By blocking each other, I mean literally blocking each other. I just found out that it prevents us from PMing each other though, so just ignore this comment.
So I read every single tedious argument between Mickey and Jocelyn, and I must say I find it rather funny that while Mickey is asking for proof, she herself is the proof in this very thread. Perhaps it is not in the past but she wanted proof that antis were being insulted by fans... and she herself provided it. Well done!
Alex wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "If only I could feel privileged. *eye roll*
I can't honestly say that any conversation I had with Mickey was a life-enriching experience. I can't honestly say that they were anyt..."
I think the same can be said of anyone who disagreed with her. Unfortunately for me, I was too stupid to see that even though I probably realized it several times along the way. Perhaps in the long run it will be better for me. Hey, I'm just a bit less ignorant now, right? ~_^
I can't honestly say that any conversation I had with Mickey was a life-enriching experience. I can't honestly say that they were anyt..."
I think the same can be said of anyone who disagreed with her. Unfortunately for me, I was too stupid to see that even though I probably realized it several times along the way. Perhaps in the long run it will be better for me. Hey, I'm just a bit less ignorant now, right? ~_^
Erin wrote: "So I read every single tedious argument between Mickey and Jocelyn, and I must say I find it rather funny that while Mickey is asking for proof, she herself is the proof in this very thread. Perha..."
You actually read everything, Erin? Wow. You have more patience than anyone I've ever met, I think. This thing has dragged on for half this thread.
You actually read everything, Erin? Wow. You have more patience than anyone I've ever met, I think. This thing has dragged on for half this thread.
Jocelyn wrote: "Erin wrote: "So I read every single tedious argument between Mickey and Jocelyn, and I must say I find it rather funny that while Mickey is asking for proof, she herself is the proof in this very t..."I, like Zoran, drink a lot of tea. Also, I am a pretty fast reader. I can't justify having an opinion about something if I don't read everything and know all of the arguments. Literal arguments in this case. :)
I drink a lot of tea, but unlike Erin, I've taken to *skimming* Mickey's posts ;)
Huh. I must not be drinking enough tea. I should probably drink more. Since I'm rather new to the idea of drinking lots of tea to calm my anxious and jumpy nerves, which kind of tea do you usually prefer and think calms you down the most? >_>
I honestly try to skim things but my brain tells me I might miss something so I have to go back and read everything. Luckily I remember the majority of the things I read so it is very rare that I ever have to read anything a second time. In regards to this thread I would say that is a blessing.
Alex wrote: "I might be allowed to kiss the soles of Mickey's shoes."Now you see how Twilight easily turns into 50 shades of gray :-)))
There must be a reason why Captain Picard drinks so much Earl Grey. Personally, I think that Darjeeling is the nicest tea, it's very light and delicate.
Erin wrote: "I honestly try to skim things but my brain tells me I might miss something so I have to go back and read everything. Luckily I remember the majority of the things I read so it is very rare that I ..."
The opposite is for a lot of people. Most people I know try to read the entire thing, but their brain tells them that they're bored and they start skimming.
The opposite is for a lot of people. Most people I know try to read the entire thing, but their brain tells them that they're bored and they start skimming.
Jocelyn wrote: "Huh. I must not be drinking enough tea. I should probably drink more."Or you are drinking the wrong tea. Try the one with rum in it :-p
Zoran wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "Huh. I must not be drinking enough tea. I should probably drink more."
Or you are drinking the wrong tea. Try the one with rum in it :-p"
I usually drink green tea or lemon tea...is that okay as well?
Or you are drinking the wrong tea. Try the one with rum in it :-p"
I usually drink green tea or lemon tea...is that okay as well?
Jocelyn wrote: "Zoran wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "Huh. I must not be drinking enough tea. I should probably drink more."Or you are drinking the wrong tea. Try the one with rum in it :-p"
I usually drink green tea o..."
Sure, all is good, all is fine ;-)
We are all happy and friendly.
And we sparkle.
Zoran wrote: "And we sparkle"Did I ever tell you how scintillatingly beautiful you look? Your arms are incandescent.
Alex wrote: "Zoran wrote: "And we sparkle"Did I ever tell you how scintillatingly beautiful you look? Your arms are incandescent."
Oh yes, and if you touch my body, you will find it is as firm as a statue.
Are you also... firm?
Zoran wrote: "Alex wrote: "Zoran wrote: "And we sparkle"Did I ever tell you how scintillatingly beautiful you look? Your arms are incandescent."
Oh yes, and if you touch my body, you will find it is as firm..."
This is really off topic but I have to say vampire boobs must be very unsatisfying. No wonder Edward wanted a human.
This is really off topic but I have to say vampire boobs must be very unsatisfying. No wonder Edward wanted a human.
But remember, everything feels soft to vampires, even other vampires'...skin.
But remember, everything feels soft to vampires, even other vampires'...skin.
That is a good point. But if vampire boobs are soft to vampires then human boobs must be even softer.
Erin wrote: "That is a good point. But if vampire boobs are soft to vampires then human boobs must be even softer."
In that case, no wonder Edward had such a terrible phobia of hurting Bella. (Not that it was weird before or anything.)
In that case, no wonder Edward had such a terrible phobia of hurting Bella. (Not that it was weird before or anything.)
Jocelyn wrote: "I can address you indirectly (if it's, like I said, adding my input on something like "what can vampires do instead of sparkle"). I won't step into any of your conversations with others."What does that mean? You can respond to my post or post something on the thread? And, I think, as a good-faith gesture, you should stop talking about me as of now. I find it odd that you continue to have conversations duting the negotiation phase. That's going to be part of the bargain.
Mickey wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "I can address you indirectly (if it's, like I said, adding my input on something like "what can vampires do instead of sparkle"). I won't step into any of your conversations with ot..."
Well, I think it would be okay if it would be something like:
Mickey: they could melt into a puddle.
Me: Eh, cool idea.
I'm pretty sure that's fine, is it? Seems harmless to me. Does that fly with you?
Yes, it wasn't cool of me to talk about you. I'll stop that.
Well, I think it would be okay if it would be something like:
Mickey: they could melt into a puddle.
Me: Eh, cool idea.
I'm pretty sure that's fine, is it? Seems harmless to me. Does that fly with you?
Yes, it wasn't cool of me to talk about you. I'll stop that.
I think we need to hammer out the terms of this agreement quite carefully. Maybe get it printed off and signed in the presence of a witness. How else would it be properly binding ... otherwise Jocelyn could end up doing anything and things would get fucking crazy.
Do we have any specific information on the softness of vampire boobs? I'm presuming Bella's not radical enough to be "a little bit bi" so she probably didn't stare at them for 20 hours solid and describe them with every adjective known to mankind.For all we know, they could be pretty damn soft.
Alex wrote: "I think we need to hammer out the terms of this agreement quite carefully. Maybe get it printed off and signed in the presence of a witness. How else would it be properly binding ... otherwise Jo..."
I hope this doesn't count as talking about Mickey, in my eyes it's more of talking about the agreement...
Haha, yeah. But honestly, it's not horribly serious, you know? It's just the Internet. Mickey and I (or anyone else I interact with on the Internet) will most likely never cross paths in real life. (I don't mean to say I'm going back on my word, btw.)
I hope this doesn't count as talking about Mickey, in my eyes it's more of talking about the agreement...
Haha, yeah. But honestly, it's not horribly serious, you know? It's just the Internet. Mickey and I (or anyone else I interact with on the Internet) will most likely never cross paths in real life. (I don't mean to say I'm going back on my word, btw.)
Alex wrote: " I'm presuming Bella's not radical enough to be "a little bit bi" so she probably didn't stare at them for 20 hours solid and describe them with every adjective known to mankind."
For all we know, they could be pretty damn soft.
LOL!
But I doubt it. Why would the vampires be specifically soft in that area? There's no real purpose behind it, and doesn't make too much sense.
For all we know, they could be pretty damn soft.
LOL!
But I doubt it. Why would the vampires be specifically soft in that area? There's no real purpose behind it, and doesn't make too much sense.
Jocelyn wrote: "I hope this doesn't count as talking about Mickey, in my eyes it's more of talking about the agreement...It's not my agreement. Mickey refuses to respond to any of my posts but I'm still perfectly free to comment on any of the things that she says.
Haha, yeah. But honestly, it's not horribly serious, you know? It's just the Internet. Mickey and I will most likely never cross paths in real life.
You're not taking this seriously? I'm taking this very seriously. Are you going back on your agreement Jocelyn? Is this the kind of person that you are, someone who makes agreements and then changes their minds. I think that's most irresponsible of you and your mum will be displeased. If I were your mum I would be wondering at what point it all went so horribly wrong.
You're a disgrace to the human race Jocelyn. Your name should be mentioned in the same breath as Hitler and Bin Laden. Go home and think on that.
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I don't think that calling Edward beautiful counts as a mistake, or else a huge number of people make mistakes on a large scale every day*. :)
*For clarification, that is not to say that Edward _is_ beautiful, that is to say that in the eyes of a lover the beloved will always be beautiful.
Zoran wrote: "If she didn't masturbate every day during her teens, no :-p
Oh, she may have.
Steph probably just thought it inopportune to mention. :)