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[[deleted user]]

Kirby wrote: "a fan? or am I, perhaps...dun dun dun...a follower?! perhaps now I'm in the cult of the Almighty Bill?? well, if this gets off the ground, You must remember to use Your powers responsibly! :D"

This just gets more and more hilarious! XD

[Rossy]

i don't think that meyer is a bad author at all. Twilight was a good series, even though it had some quirks here and there. The characters were real, and they evolved over time which made them seem even more real. Plus, I've read the Host, and that book is AMAZING, so i would actually say that meyer is a great author :)

[Kirby]

Peace wrote: "ok ppl what the whole funny jokes, that here?"

sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you or jordan. that last joke was in reference to how bill has previously said that twilight fans are members of a cult.

today, for some reason, bill's comments made me feel like being silly rather than angry...it's turning out to be more fun! :)

[Steph]

I first read Twilight when I was like ten and loved it...do we see a problem there? Enough said. I'm now 16 and have read real literature. No, SM is not a good writer. Maybe for my ten-year-old self she was awesome but now...not so much

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Kirby wrote: "today, for some reason, bill's comments made me feel like being silly rather than angry...it's turning out to be more fun! :)"

And infinitely healthier! :D

I for one find Bill's comments to be pretty over the top, but they are also undeniably entertaining like no other posts I've ever read.

[Bill]

Kirby wrote: "perhaps now I'm in the cult of the Almighty Bill??"

No. Even if I had a cult (which I don't), it would frown on necrophilia, bestiality, incest, and bad grammar... all things which SM espouses. Any rating of Twilight above 2 stars is an endorsement of those things.

Oh, and those two large buttons on opposite sides of your keyboard marked "Shift?" They're getting lonely.

[Jeremy]

I wish I could be that bad of a writer and make money to help those that are needy and run from those that once were greedy and spend more time with those that I love dearly. Let me sell out and get the hell out of my job, any job for that matter that makes another rich and happy when in reality , I want to be Rich and happy and giving and loving with my family, Not a slave to a job , barely getting by while wishing I were a bad writer like her. I am not really that smart to over think if she did everything right but I turned a few pages , okay read the first book and it was not for me but I am proud that my niece liked it because it got her to read all the books and that sent her on a trip of loving books. So The author of Twilight won me over because being smart is what I want for my niece and relatives :)

[Fien]

Her books are really good, but the films are just very bad .

[Jordan]

Kirby wrote: "Peace wrote: "ok ppl what the whole funny jokes, that here?"

sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you or jordan. that last joke was in reference to how bill has previously said that twilight fans are ..."

o haha! I bet he's real happy bout that! LOL!

[Jordan]

Bill wrote: "Kirby wrote: "perhaps now I'm in the cult of the Almighty Bill??"

No. Even if I had a cult (which I don't), it would frown on necrophilia, bestiality, incest, and bad grammar... all things which S..."

oh well aren't you funny. nobody is taking u seriously right now so... yea

[Jordan]

Fien wrote: "Her books are really good, but the films are just very bad ."

I like the books and the movies. I don't think the first one was the best installment, but I think the others are pretty true!

[Siobhan]

Peace wrote: "would that be interesting if someone ask SM 2 come on GR on this section here,maybe she would have her saying bout her books, that she wrote.."

I'm pretty sure you only have to google questions like this to find an interview where she's talked about it.

And sorry for being rude, but apart from asking that question *a lot* and doing smiley faces/writing lol or interesting, do you have any other settings?

[Kirby]

Bill wrote: "Kirby wrote: "perhaps now I'm in the cult of the Almighty Bill??"

No. Even if I had a cult (which I don't), it would frown on necrophilia, bestiality, incest, and bad grammar... all things which S..."

ah, my apologies- I had thought that some (mostly) good-natured humor would be a possible avenue, but I was apparently wrong (or perhaps I was crueler that I intended to be)...

anyway- consider me duly insulted and chastened, and I'll now do my best to bypass your (seemingly) intentionally inflammatory posts...just as you can bypass my unintelligible, improperly capitalized ones.

[Bill]

Jordan wrote: "oh well aren't you funny. nobody is taking u seriously right now so... yea "

I am funny. You just lack a sense of humor.

...and it balances, since I've never taken any of you Twilight fanatics seriously, since you lack the ability to think critically.

I asked a simple question several pages back, explicitly stated that "'Cause Meyers said so" wasn't a real answer... and you said it anyway.

A couple of people at least tried to answer it. Not the hard core "Meyers is my Goddess" types, though, because that would require actual thought.

So you go right ahead. Don't take me seriously, because at this point, I absolutely know who to take seriously in this discussion, and who takes me seriously (yes, they do exist; no, I won't tell you; no, I doubt that you'll ever figure it out).

[Bill]

Peace wrote: "would that be interesting if someone ask SM 2 come on GR on this section here,maybe she would have her saying bout her books, that she wrote.."

Asked, and answered.

Do you honestly think that she'd bad-mouth her own books? Noooo...

Do you think she'd actually care if anyone thought her books sucked? She's a published "author," who likely sleeps in a bed made of the millions she's stolen made, so nooo...

Stephen King won't tell you his books suck, but he will tell you what he could have done better (I don't have time to dig up any supporting evidence, but I do recall an interview or two where he suggested changes to his own stuff). I doubt Meyers even has intelligence enough to figure out where she screwed up (hint: when she first picked up the pen...).

It's a ridiculous question.

[Kirby]

Siobhan wrote: "And sorry for being rude, but apart from asking that question *a lot* and doing smiley faces/writing lol or interesting, do you have any other settings? "

well, from what I've seen, I would guess that peace is probably using goodreads to help her learn english...and I, at least, have definitely noticed an improvement.

[Lizardhound]

Meyer uses Mary Sues and Gary Stus, clichés, somehow forgot the show-don't-tell rule, spends paragraphs on describing Edward (who has some weird, interesting issues she never mentions or deals with) and practically nothing on describing Bella (who then becomes easily replaceable), in addition to not letting the Volturi take over the world, which they could if they wanted to, and using giant wolves (oh, the creativity) as the shape her Native American shapeshifters shift to.
And the twipires glitter in the sunlight. They're unkillable for humans. She forgot the scary part and overdid the sex appeal. There's nothing scary whatsoever about twipires. The vampire myth started with a female demon that stole babies from their cribs and ate them.
What I really want to see is a fanfic where Edward leaving makes Bella snap and start murdering the female part of happy couples and he has to come back and kill her. But Bella is perfect (Come on, she's clumsy is all. No personality flaws at all.), so it won't happen unless I write it, which I'll never do because there is an almost infinte number of better projects I can spend my time on. Might be worth it for the flames, though...

[Rossy]

Lizardhound wrote: "Meyer uses Mary Sues and Gary Stus, clichés, somehow forgot the show-don't-tell rule, spends paragraphs on describing Edward (who has some weird, interesting issues she never mentions or deals with..."

have you ever read The Host? Because I think that you shouldn't just judge Meyer on a part of her books. You should judge her on ALL of her books.

However, I do want to agree with you on the fact the Bella was perfect. That really annoyed me too because it wasn't real at all. Everyone just liked her and she had no real enemies (other than her vamp enemies). I mean Jessica was the only person in school who kinda didn't like her, and she never showed it in an obvious way so she doesn't count.

[Christine]

TheFeelsAreOnTheFloor wrote: "50 shades was based off of Twilight so...."


Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic novel by British author E. L. James. Set largely in Seattle, it is the first instalment in a trilogy that traces the deepening relationship between a college graduate, Anastasia Steele, and a young business magnate, Christian Grey. It is notable for its explicitly erotic scenes featuring elements of sexual practices involving bondage/discipline, dominance/submission, and sadism/masochism (BDSM).


50 Shades Of Grey is a book based on BDSM, not Twilight, Vampires or ANYWHERE near Stephanie Meyers Twilight concept.

Now I'm not yelling at you or anything but what the hell made you think 50 Shades Of Grey was based off of Twilight and where did you get your information/Facts and ideas?

[Christine]

I believe Stephanie is not a great writer but not severely bad. I have many more books to read by her but currently from her Twilight series, I'm rating her around a level 2 star and I've read a lot in my time.

Writing is no different then art, you need to compare to find out who IS the best or has best quality of different fields/ideas. Those that don't approve of comparing her to other writers, no offense is a foolish idea. There can be no champion unless you have competition. Many want the ''everyone's a winner'' and frankly that isn't logical nor possible. How can one achieve when they think their worst is best? We need to compare to better ourselves and our world but no one needs to tear one down while at it either. Balance is key when it comes to this and frankly not many posses it.

I hear too many against Twilight without much knowledge of it. A lot deals with the Teenager community and the foolish ideas sometimes they hold and people that judge off of that. Poor choice to do but face it, people judge and stereotype all the time. I do my best to avoid that to better the world, cannot speak for others. Stephanie Meyers tends to get caught in this whirlwind.

[Christine]

Dipendra wrote: "Stephenie has scored a bloody good number of fans.This only means that she is a bloody good writer or people,nowadays,fall for everything gooey romantic."

"people,nowadays,fall for everything gooey romantic."

You said it ;) Sad but true to a good portion, mainly teens. That doesn't make her horrible of course.♥

[Jordan]

Bill wrote: "Jordan wrote: "oh well aren't you funny. nobody is taking u seriously right now so... yea "

I am funny. You just lack a sense of humor.

...and it balances, since I've never taken any of you Twili..."

I have a sense of humor, but whenever I see one of your posts my mind plays that music, from like the spy movies and it goes like this-

DUN DUN DUN!!

And my sense of humor goes right down the drain :)

And I actually stick with my "Cause Meyer said so" comment because (and I can't believe I have to keep saying this) Meyer is the Author. What you are saying is she wrote her book wrong. That is like telling a song writer that he/she wrote his/her song wrong. It is just people's opinion, and you keep acting as if there is a right or wrong answer, there is not.

[Fatima]

nobody is a bad write nor is nobody the best writer. sometimes people tend to not like a writer's style. the plot of twilight is considered very flat if you decide to compare it to an excellent writer. but i like her writing style. twilight isn't a book i would read over and over again but i'm glad i read it.

[Fatima]

if i were to write a story it would be about emeth and rosalie or alice and jasper:)

[Christine]

Jordan wrote: And I actually stick with my "Cause Meyer said so" comment because (and I can't believe I have to keep saying this) Meyer is the Author. What you are saying is she wrote her book wrong. That is like telling a song writer that he/she wrote his/her song wrong. It is just people's opinion, and you keep acting as if there is a right or wrong answer, there is not. "


Hate to say this Jordan but I get where you're coming from and what you're trying to validate about it being Stephanie's story but there is a wrong way and right way to writing a story. If I did nothing but let's say, write, '' Have a nice day today she said, she said have a nice day, nice day she said to have.'' and continue with a few characters etc, I'm not writing well at all, repeating, dragging out etc. Now, sometimes that is necessary to bring a certain understanding or feeling but there is definitely a wrong way to write a song, story etc. There is always right and wrong, like there is dark and light, balance is key.

Opinions should be based off of right and wrong answers, that's why people are so strong on opinions as well. To declare what is right and wrong, many forget though, you need wrong to make right and vice versa. Once again, balance is key.

See how I actually repeated but with a proper reason and structure and actually getting my point across? That's good and bad writing for you although I'll lean to that being more bad myself I think.

I suggest highly not sticking with the Meyer said so statement however and as far as the guy you're arguing with, I really didn't catch the whole drama/issue but I'm just trying to help you personally/support you. Whatever that guys intentions were so be it.

[Siobhan]

Christine wrote: "Jordan wrote: And I actually stick with my "Cause Meyer said so" comment because (and I can't believe I have to keep saying this) Meyer is the Author. What you are saying is she wrote her book wron..."

I think I fell in love with you a little bit.

Well, more lust, I think love is a slow-grower ;)

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Christine wrote: "...but there is a wrong way and right way to writing a story."

No, I don't think so. I think there's a strong way to tell a story and a weak way. Writing is never right or wrong, only strong or weak.

Other than that, I agree with most of what you said. ;)

[Nyaore]

Christine wrote: "TheFeelsAreOnTheFloor wrote: "50 shades was based off of Twilight so...."


Fifty Shades of Grey is a 2011 erotic novel by British author E. L. James. Set largely in Seattle, it is the first instal..."

It did start out as a Twilight fanfic, called Master of the Universe. You can still find the PDF for it on various places online, and while some things are changed between the two they're mostly the same story - but with different names.
http://dearauthor.com/features/indust...

[Jordan]

Christine wrote: "Jordan wrote: And I actually stick with my "Cause Meyer said so" comment because (and I can't believe I have to keep saying this) Meyer is the Author. What you are saying is she wrote her book wron..."

Your right, I am sorry, but what I meant was, like, the idea for a story. Sorry I reread my post and realized I messed up in what I wrote, but I meant you can't say her idea for the plot was wrong, because it's her idea for the story. :) Sorry!

[Siobhan]

Her idea was great, her execution terrible.

[Christine]

Jocelyn wrote: "Christine wrote: "...but there is a wrong way and right way to writing a story."

No, I don't think so. I think there's a strong way to tell a story and a weak way. Writing is never right or wrong,..."

Fair enough, agreeing to disagree. I don't think you validated your reason properly but you have stated how you feel and I appreciate that.

[Christine]

Nyaore --

I still don't see how they relate and how he based it off of twilight, this one is puzzling, let me read and get back to you on this one. This is definitely interesting and weird. My research is in progress and reading so far of everything I'm not sure how valid these sources are. I will be reading Master of the Universe and compare that to Twilight, then move up to 50 shades. Technically, master of the universe is based off of twilight, not 50 shades itself although it is linked by technical terms so far of what I see.

I'll state you're right though for now from the proof I see and thank you for sharing this information.

[Christine]

Jordan--

Understood. I totally get you as well though.♥

[Nyaore]

Christine wrote: "Nyaore --

I still don't see how they relate and how he based it off of twilight, this one is puzzling, let me read and get back to you on this one. This is definitely interesting and weird. My re..."
Mhm, happy to help. :) Not really jumping into the middle of the conversation you were having, just wanted to point out that there is evidence that it did start out as a Twilight AU.

[Siobhan]

Nyaore wrote: "Christine wrote: "Nyaore --

I still don't see how they relate and how he based it off of twilight, this one is puzzling, let me read and get back to you on this one. This is definitely interestin..."

MOTU and 50 have been run through plaigerism programs universities use. They are 89% similar, often with only the names altered. They're by the same author, with the same structure. I fail to see how you don't make the connection. My favourite is the restaurant scene in 50 that is a complete rip of the restaurant scene in twilight.

[Nyaore]

Siobhan wrote: "Nyaore wrote: "Christine wrote: "Nyaore --

I still don't see how they relate and how he based it off of twilight, this one is puzzling, let me read and get back to you on this one. This is defini..."
Or the forced kiss scene with Jose/Jacob at the beginning of FSoG that mimicked a similar scene in Eclipse, just minus the hand-breaking and with a side of drunken behavior.

[Christine]

Siobhan "

It was runned through a program and everything fair and I see what you and Nyaore are saying but one, the source can edit, programs mess up etc etc. I rather read the book myself then rely on a he-said she said or a program that can have errors.

Programs are known to throw things highly out of whack and well I'm just not a very trusting person and I like to dig deep to the situation until there is no doubt and good proof.

Now I see the connection and giving as stated the benefit of the doubt currently, I'm still waiting for more information however myself and to figure it all out myself, that takes time, I'm not just going to jump on a band wagon as they say you know?. Plus, in defense, only so many things can be written a certain way. Although I don't doubt something going on with E.L.

Thank you ladies however, back to you in a few weeks plus hopefully after reading the books and cross examining.

[Jordan]

Christine wrote: "Jordan--

Understood. I totally get you as well though.♥"

Thanks!

[Siobhan]

Christine wrote: "Siobhan "

It was runned through a program and everything fair and I see what you and Nyaore are saying but one, the source can edit, programs mess up etc etc. I rather read the book myself then re..."

I don't see how it's a big deal though. It was a fanfic, the writer decided to publish, to protect Meyer's copyright she changed names. Shouldn't matter that it's still the same story. Shouldn't matter that it's fanfic.

Does matter than it's the biggest load I've ever read.

[Mochaspresso]

There was a comical discussion in the FSoG forums where people listed the similarities that they saw between Twilight and FSoG.

http://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/9...

[Siobhan]

I saw that, love it!

[Jordan]

I can't wait until I'm older and I can read what you guys are complaining about, LOL!

[Rossy]

Jordan wrote: "I can't wait until I'm older and I can read what you guys are complaining about, LOL!"

how old are you then? If you find this too personal then you don't have to answer :p

[Jordan]

Rossy wrote: "Jordan wrote: "I can't wait until I'm older and I can read what you guys are complaining about, LOL!"

how old are you then? If you find this too personal then you don't have to answer :p"

No, its fine. I'm 14. My parents won't let me read FSoG.

[Siobhan]

Too damn right, it's shockingly poor. It's like Twilight with zero editing, no imagination and really poor sex scenes. Read more worthwhile books ;)

[Jordan]

Siobhan wrote: "Too damn right, it's shockingly poor. It's like Twilight with zero editing, no imagination and really poor sex scenes. Read more worthwhile books ;)"

haha, yeah I don't think I will read it if it's not worthwhile.

[Rossy]

my friend started reading it and she said that it wasn't that bad, and then she reached one of the more...intimate... scenes and she said that she would never read that book again :p

[Jordan]

Peace wrote: "just a thought if sm was that bad of writer, would she even still be writing more books,then before type of thing?"

Why wouldn't she write more books?

There are people who hate her books, true.

But there are sooooooo many people out there that love them! I think it would be stupid not to continue writing, unless she hated it, and I think she loves it.

[Bill]

Jordan wrote: "What you are saying is she wrote her book wrong. That is like telling a song writer that he/she wrote his/her song wrong. It is just people's opinion, and you keep acting as if there is a right or wrong answer, there is not. "

...except for the actual fact that there is, indeed, a right way to write a book, as several people have said in this thread.

It involves creating believable characters, a believable plot, and actual research into what you are writing about.

Are the characters believable? No... in fact, flawless people don't exist in nature, so suspension of disbelief is completely screwed.

Is the story believable? LOL... 150-year-old fairy goes to high school... suspension of disbelief just got draped over a nearby chair and ignored.

Did she do any research on her subject AT ALL? Judging from the interview link posted earlier about how she just pulled her vampire "lore" out of her ass... fuck, no.

At this point, anyone who can immerse themselves in the story should just resign themselves to living in a trailer with 4 kids, welfare checks, a drunken "boyfriend" who smacks them around, and a dead-end McJob, because that's the level of stupid it takes to actually suspend disbelief enough to get past page 10 of this abortion.

There are dozens of books that detail how a good novel can be written. Do yourself and everyone else around you a huge favor and read one. You'll save yourself the trouble of trying to convince the football team captain that it is, indeed, his baby, and he should do the right thing.

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Bill wrote: "It involves creating believable characters, a believable plot, and actual research into what you are writing about."

I know this is completely irrelevant, but I'd just like to jump in and say that it's a lot more complex than that.

I have, in fact, read books that had believable characters and plot and research...that were absolutely TERRIBLE.

There's also the application of those elements. Is the story character-driven? (i.e. does the plot arise from the characters' motivations and personalities, instead of being imposed on them?) Is the world used as a groundwork...or is it used to pull out plot devices to move the plot forward? Is the mythology/magic system/etc. well explained, or is it, again, used as a plot device? Is the prose fluid enough, or is it choppy and jerky (Hunger Games much....? Prose, btw, is something I think people underestimate in the importance of telling a story. It is after all the way the author chooses to convey the story, and if the author can't convey the story appropriately the book as a whole WILL be weakened in turn.) How the author builds suspense, pacing, etc. etc.

Again, I know it's totally irrelevant...still, I think it's waaaaay more complex than one big checklist of "okay, good plot. Good characters. Good research. Equals...good book!"