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Is Stephenie a bad writer?
Stephenie isn´t bad writer, how could she? NO, she´s good because that is the reason why is twilight saga like movie, I think. When I read her books I have some strange feelings but these feelings are positive.She is a good writer only if you like romance a horor. :)
Let me say this.. I wasn't really into this book but.. I know women in there 30 and 40's who have read it with there teen daughters and talked of the book and enjoyed it and bonded over it.. So would you want to be a so call " good writer" are have that effect on women.. I would rather move people then be a so called good writer
Teresa wrote: "I know bad parents in their 30 and 40's who have read it with there teen daughter."Fixed for truth.
M.R. wrote: "I think most of the problems with Twilight could actually be blamed on bad editing. Most books undergo intensive rewriting AFTER the author has completed the final draft. The editing is supposed to..."A story about Alice would have been quite hard to write about, but if done well, it would be incredible.
Rosalie's story would have been kinda bloody but the tortured angle where the readers might pity her...
no she is actually one of the best writers; while reading her book i feel like everything is happening in front of me.
Teresa wrote: I know bad parents in their 30 and 40's who have read it with there teen daughter.Bill wrote: Fixed for truth.
Bill, are you actually saying that parents who take the time to connect with their children through literature (even if it's literature you didn't enjoy) are bad parents?
The funny part is that I think that might actually be how you think and the reason wouldn't be that you object to the "messages" in the story, but that you object to the portrayal of vampires, as if it's a main parental responsibility to make sure children have the "correct" version of a fictional creature.
Mickey wrote: "Bill, are you actually saying that parents who take the time to connect with their children through literature (even if it's literature you didn't enjoy) are bad parents? "There are literally hundreds of books out there that are much, much, much better and more positive than that imminent-brain-damage-on-paper. If, as a parent, you can't find something on that list to connect with your kids over, you suck as a parent. I'll gladly call child protective services to help you make better reading choices.
When they are old enough, I'll forbid my daughters from reading this trash. Of course, by that time, this shit will fade from the collective consciousness and I likely won't even need to worry about it.
If they ask, I'll point straight to you, Mickey, and explain how Twilight has damaged your reading comprehension ability. I'll lay out in detail how important it is that people rely on their ability to grasp the written word, and show them how you fail at that most fundamental of skills... all because Meyers sucks at life. You're welcome.
Bill, if you forbid your daughters to read a book, they'll think there's more to it than there actually is and will read it behind your back. Also, you'll find yourself agreeing to anything by the time they get to that age because it means there's something to bond over, even if it makes you want to rip your teeth out. Like, currently my son is watching Bubble Guppies which makes me want to punch a wall (seriously, could they not hire someone to sing in tune? Just one person!) but it makes him happy and ultimately has stopped him asking me for his Christmas presents already so he can have it. You'll do the same for your daughters (you can argue now, but give it time), maybe then you'll apologise to Mickey and Teresa?And I don't even like Meyer. I just know if I had a daughter instead of a son, I'd bluff that it was so unpopular I'd never heard of it. Or worse, I would talk that shit up. Nothing makes your kids hate something more than you loving it, right? (Oh my God, my son's going to grow up hating Harry Potter ...)
Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Bill, are you actually saying that parents who take the time to connect with their children through literature (even if it's literature you didn't enjoy) are bad parents? "There ar..."<
So you think you could do that with a 16 year old girl..good luck on that one..lol
Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Bill, are you actually saying that parents who take the time to connect with their children through literature (even if it's literature you didn't enjoy) are bad parents? "There ar..."
Why your at it.. You should make sure they don't eat candy or fast food.. Get straigh A's only and pick a appropriate career and marry someone you approve of completly.. Again good luck on all of that
Teresa wrote: "Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Bill, are you actually saying that parents who take the time to connect with their children through literature (even if it's literature you didn't enjoy) are bad parents..."I have no idea why we're on the topic of parenting but.... LOL
Yeah, amen, try hard with your children, they'll always listen to their parents. (i guess that'll will happen if they are robots...)
Pfft... you're all just jealous because my kids actually listen to me on things such as movies and books, because I actually listen to what they like and don't like, and tailor my recommendations accordingly.Besides... again, by the time they get old enough to even think about reading that obnoxious trash, something else will have supplanted it (and I'll have read it for them, so they can have my take on whether they'll like it or not, because I do that for my kids).
♥ Mariah ♥ wrote: "She's not, just take The Host for example. I think people just don't like Twilight."Agree!
Zoran wrote: "That SM is a horrible writer, is a fact. But what is interesting to me are the people who like those books anyway.It reminds me of being 16, when I was completely into metal music. I only wanted ..."
I am saddened by your comment, because it isn't accurate. I'm a fan of the saga twillight, but among my favorite books are those that were written by the greatest literature writers of the world, like Hemingway, Sheakspeare, Alexandre Dumas, Cervantes, Jane Austen, Jorge Amado, Luis Sepúlveda, Robert Graves, JRR Tolkien, Eça de Queirós, Fernando Pessoa, Joseph Saramago, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, among others of equal genius.
There's a difference between being a good storyteller and a good writer. Some well known authors have said that Taylor Swift's songwriting encapsulates the Y/A experience but I would venture to guess, if it came down to penning a 75,000 word novel, she'd probably struggle... and so might we reading it. Good storytelling does not mean good writing. However, given her success, her storytelling appeals to many and seems to have breathed new life into a failing industry. What's more, it's opened the gates to some really talented writers who, perhaps just ten years ago, might not have gotten published. Am I a fan of Meyer's work? No. I found her characters underdeveloped, the stacked similes distracting, the purple prose over the top and many of the Twilight story arcs underwhelming. That being said, kudos to her (and Rowling) for making tons of cash and getting kids (and their moms) excited about books again.
Bill wrote: "Pfft... (and I'll have read it for them, so they can have my take on whether they'll like it or not, because I do that for my kids)."Good to know there are still parents out there that really hate their children.
Equals out the scales. :D
Gerd wrote: "Bill wrote: "Pfft... (and I'll have read it for them, so they can have my take on whether they'll like it or not, because I do that for my kids)."Good to know there are still parents out there t..."
I'm pretty sure Bill's kids just nod and smile and play along, then when his back's turned, do whatever the hell they want. He's raising girls who'll have purple Mohawks, pierced noses and tiger tattooes
Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: "Bill, are you actually saying that parents who take the time to connect with their children through literature (even if it's literature you didn't enjoy) are bad parents? "There ar..."
I can't believe that you would say that! Just because in your opinion there are better books out there, doesn't mean that people who connect with their kids through this book are bad parents. In fact, my mother and I obsess over these books together and it has made us really close in our interests, so just because you don't like the book, doesn't mean the parents suck if they connect with it.
Bill wrote: "Pfft... you're all just jealous because my kids actually listen to me on things such as movies and books, because I actually listen to what they like and don't like, and tailor my recommendations a..."Nobody is jealous of you, Bill, and let me tell you why. You are telling people how to parent, and, for people my age, your telling us that our parents suck because they connect with us through books like Twilight.
Bill wrote: "Pfft... you're all just jealous because my kids actually listen to me..."
For the most part I agree with your take on Twilight, Bill, but I'd just like to point out that ad hominem attacks are generally useless and irrelevant, as well as founded on pretty much nothing.
For the most part I agree with your take on Twilight, Bill, but I'd just like to point out that ad hominem attacks are generally useless and irrelevant, as well as founded on pretty much nothing.
Gerd wrote: "Bill wrote: "Pfft... (and I'll have read it for them, so they can have my take on whether they'll like it or not, because I do that for my kids)."Good to know there are still parents out there t..."
ROFL. Love your perspective-- and yes, it does balance the hate from both sides. :D
Definitely not! She wrote the Host which at least to me, was GENIUS! Plus the Twilight series wasn't really all that bad. It was interesting, sweet, loved, and hated and that's really all because of the movies soooo yeah, she is an awesome writer.
Gerd wrote: "Good to know there are still parents out there that really hate their children."How is reading what my kids read before they read it "hating my kids?" Actually caring enough about my kids to save them from making bad decisions (like reading Meyers shit) is as far from hate as I can imagine.
Understand, I don't deny my kids much. They play the games they want, they listen to the (shitty) music they want (Lady Gaga needs to be launched from the same cliff as Meyers, if I were allowed to wish death upon anyone... she's a cancer to music), and read almost any book they want. I've read to them since they were babies, I read with them... hell, my older daughter is still in elementary school, and we got her a Kindle for Christmas.
I encourage my kids to read by example, not by handing them randomly popular shit like Twilight. Any parent who simply throws that shit at their kids to shut them up needs to have their kids taken from them. Any parent who reads that shit with their kids needs to be locked up for child abuse, point-fucking-blank.
Jordan wrote: "..."
Nothing you have to say is relevant or trustworthy (being a Twitard and all), so just save your breath.
such negative comments to a pretty good writer if you ask me... :[
^I agree! She is an excellent writer and so many people bash on her just because they hate the idea of Twilight! it's ridiculous..
When a book gets published it goes through at least 20 hands before being decided to get published , so is she a good writer , many think so in the book business. I think she did a good job....
She not a bad writer...she's just not a good one.
I think it comes down to context, and the type of writer you are. So Stephenie sucks at prose, and she goes overboard with description and can't differentiate between proper grammar and colloquial licence in speech, has not researched teenage idioms enough to make Bella's language seem authentic ... I will give her this: she has incredible ideas (peace loving aliens invading our bodies? Vegetarian vampires? Love her or hate her, you wish you had the base concepts) and she can convey emotions on a page. That is not easy to do.I'm not a fan of hers, but I do believe in credit where credit's due.
Bill wrote: "Nothing you have to say is relevant or trustworthy (being a Twitard and all), so just save your breath."This is a note to Jordan: I'd like to explain how a person like Bill functions from an adult perspective.
Bill is a bully who has convinced himself that his opinions are somehow of a higher level than others. This explains how much of what is says is framed more as pronouncements or revelations rather than opinions. When he comes across others who do not share his opinions (and this could be about something as subjective as book choice or restaurant preferences), the only thing he knows how to do is insult and try to control others. Feel sorry for the people that have to deal with such an immature and socially stunted person outside of an internet forum.
Mickey wrote: "Bill wrote: "Nothing you have to say is relevant or trustworthy (being a Twitard and all), so just save your breath."This is a note to Jordan: I'd like to explain how a person like Bill functions..."
Thanks Mickey. I give up on trying to argue with him, he just makes everything worse...
Honestly...I like how she writes...although i tried reading "The Host" another book she wrote, but I just didn't find it interesting enough... I think it just depends on what and how you like to read...
Mickey wrote: Bill is a bully..."AHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's the funniest fucking thing I've seen, coming from the A1 bully on this thread.
Your arguing style:
Mickey wrote: "You said A, therefore I will say B, which is absolutely unrelated to A, and pretend that it's profound, because it makes me feel superior to you."
...and you're the ONLY ONE who doesn't see it. You pretend to be the Voice Of Reason, but really you're just some sad little Twitard troll, but with better access to a thesaurus than most.
I've argued fact his entire time: Edward is not a vampire (which I've proved), the writing "style" is trash (which others have proved), and that Rowling, not Meyers, sparked interest in YA fiction (which actual history has proved). You've just shrugged and pretended that facts aren't facts, like some retarded leftover from Minitrue.
Bully... LOL. I'll screenshot that and save it so I can laugh.
As for Jordan... her arguing style:
Jordan wrote: "'Cause Stephenie Meyers said so!!!"
Blind fangirlism aside: there's a great Ron White bit about how he was kicked off of debate team because he responded to a point with, "Oh yeah? Well, FUUUUCK YOU!!!"... and he thought he'd won.
Every post of your's is exactly like that. Repeating a bad point doesn't make that point good. That's why no one should take you seriously (except your fellow Meyers' ass-kissers).
Bottom line: just stop posting altogether, before you actually learn to think and accidentally hurt yourself.
(I absolutely bet that one or the other of those losers will flag this post, because "boo-hoo-hoo, I hurt their 'feelings'" [note: fanatics don't have feelings worth caring about.]. There are a lot of uncomfortable truths they don't wish to face, and making them go away is "safer" than actually facing them and learning valuable life lessons. This amuses the hell out of me. :D )
i read the twilight books back when i was in high school and i loved the story she created... are they the kind of books i would re-read...no they're not. E.L. James had a really good story.. the writing is what killed the books...
Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: Bill is a bully..."AHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's the funniest fucking thing I've seen, coming from the A1 bully on this thread.
Your arguing style:
Mickey wrote: "You said A, therefore I ..."
That's my posting style because it doesn't matter what we think, because Meyer is the author and that was her vision. And I think you should be the one to stop posting, not that you are going to listen to me, just as I won't listen to you :p because I can do what I want and just because I defend something you don't like that doesn't mean I will disappear.
Ophelia wrote: "^I agree! She is an excellent writer and so many people bash on her just because they hate the idea of Twilight! it's ridiculous.."
Well actually I thought the idea of Twilight was decent enough (albeit cliche), but I still didn't like Meyer's writing.
Well actually I thought the idea of Twilight was decent enough (albeit cliche), but I still didn't like Meyer's writing.
Bill, you really undermine yourself with all your offensive asides. Right now you're on twilight turf, so maybe a little respect is due regardless of your feelings of the book? You have no idea where other people are at when they read certain books, don't judge everyone by your own agenda.
Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: Bill is a bully..."AHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's the funniest fucking thing I've seen, coming from the A1 bully on this thread.
Your arguing style:
Mickey wrote: "You said A, therefore I ..."
bill's arguing style: "well, I proved my point because I said it was a fact, and I even put it in bold (and Maybe Even Capitalized It) so you'd know it was a fact even though it appears to be a rude, unfounded, and sometimes slightly unhinged opinion. oh, and you're stupid and probably NOT as good a reader, poster, or parent as me!" (just poking fun, it amuses me ;D)
Jordan wrote: "And I think you should be the one to stop posting, not that you are going to listen to me, just as I won't listen to you :p"
Lol!!
Honestly though, I think he problem here is this: we all have our own different ways of "judging" people whether they're worth debating and discussing with. Some of those judgements are on an emotional basis, i.e. how maturely someone behaves, and some of those are on intellectual ones. Bill clearly does it on an intellectual basis, while others do it on the emotional, and they really don't sit well together.
I guess sometimes it's just inevitable because the way people approach each other clash a lot.
Lol!!
Honestly though, I think he problem here is this: we all have our own different ways of "judging" people whether they're worth debating and discussing with. Some of those judgements are on an emotional basis, i.e. how maturely someone behaves, and some of those are on intellectual ones. Bill clearly does it on an intellectual basis, while others do it on the emotional, and they really don't sit well together.
I guess sometimes it's just inevitable because the way people approach each other clash a lot.
Kirby wrote: "Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: Bill is a bully..."AHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's the funniest fucking thing I've seen, coming from the A1 bully on this thread.
Your arguing style:
Mickey wrote: "You said A,..."
Kinda pissed all over my point there.
Kirby wrote: "bill's arguing style: "well, I proved my point because I said it was a fact, and I even put it in bold (and Maybe Even Capitalized It) so you'd know it was a fact even though it appears to be a rude, unfounded, and sometimes slightly unhinged opinion. oh, and you're stupid and probably NOT as good a reader, poster, or parent as me!" (just poking fun, it amuses me ;D)"
Haha Kirby! :D Now that was hilarious. I love it.
Haha Kirby! :D Now that was hilarious. I love it.
Siobhan wrote: "Kinda pissed all over my point there."I see. well, I had not even seen your post, so I hardly could have intentionally pissed on it...even now that I have seen it, I fail to see how my making a joke interfered with your post...nonetheless, you have my apologies.
Jocelyn wrote: "Haha Kirby! :D Now that was hilarious. I love it."ah, thank you! shew! *swipes forehead* I was beginning to fear I was the only one who found it funny! :D
Kirby wrote: "Jocelyn wrote: "Haha Kirby! :D Now that was hilarious. I love it."ah, thank you! shew! *swipes forehead* I was beginning to fear I was the only one who found it funny! :D"
I laughed, Kirby. You captured his tone perfectly.
Kirby wrote: "ah, thank you! shew! *swipes forehead* I was beginning to fear I was the only one who found it funny! :D"
Well, it certainly was. Regardless of whether I approve of Bill's behavior or not it was pretty darn funny.
Well, it certainly was. Regardless of whether I approve of Bill's behavior or not it was pretty darn funny.
Kirby wrote: "Bill wrote: "Mickey wrote: Bill is a bully..."AHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's the funniest fucking thing I've seen, coming from the A1 bully on this thread.
Your arguing style:
Mickey wrote: "You said A,..."
Awww... I have a fan!!! I'm... touched. Really.
Bill wrote: "Awww... I have a fan!!! I'm... touched. Really. "a fan? or am I, perhaps...dun dun dun...a follower?! perhaps now I'm in the cult of the Almighty Bill?? well, if this gets off the ground, You must remember to use Your powers responsibly! :D
Kirby wrote: "Bill wrote: "Awww... I have a fan!!! I'm... touched. Really. "a fan? or am I, perhaps...dun dun dun...a follower?! perhaps now I'm in the cult of the Almighty Bill?? well, if this gets off the g..."
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Didn't she admitt to it, that she needs to improve her writing? I think this was in the Afterward of Breaking Dawn. ( Maybe )