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Rowling, J.K. - The Casual Vacancy - Start Date November 22nd 2012
Moderators of Nothing but Reading Challenges wrote: "Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions, Pages 119-175; Wednesday-III to end of Part One
20. Eep! Sukhvinder Jawanda is (view spoiler). From what I’ve read, the reason behind this form of self injury is that it is “an outlet to vent out one's bottled pain.” Can you understand this form of self-abuse? To read more of the why, check out buzzle.com And she’s deduced it is Fats posting on her Facebook page; smart girl, despite her thinking she is not one. Comments.
Sukhvinder is one of the characters I am most interested in. She has a lot to come back from and I am rooting for her. I did know someone who practiced what she is doing. That poor woman never was able to feel good about herself although she stopped the behavior as she became an adult. I very much want this charater to get help, grow, rise above what Fats does to her. She is very smart and I'm curious to see where her story goes.
21. What did you think of Tessa and Dr. Parminder Jawanda conversation and Parminder’s breaking down sobbing? What do you suspect is at the root of her unhappiness? Do you think Tessa will believe her about Howard Mollison being a “vile man”? Any comments on her wearing a sari to the funeral?
I'm not sure what to make of this relationship. It seems that Tessa knows what was going on between Parminder and Barry. I don't understand the nature of Tessa's obligation to call her. It seems that Tessa could likely not have time to get to her. It makes me think that whatever was going on, Tessa may have been involved somehow. Shirley's reaction to the sari was interesting to me. I don't attach any significance to the clothing except perhaps Parminder sought comfort in that the clothes reminded her of a good time she had with Barry, and they may have been a reminder of an earlier time in her life - comfort clothes. It certainly caused a stir for Shirley and Howard.
22. A computer? I wasn’t expecting that to be what Simon brought home! So, this one “fell off a truck” – that was the reason for all the sneaking around and his warning for the kids not to tell? Comments. Simon really is a brut. That whole installation scene got to me. You?
Absolutely - that was horrible. I kept waiting for Simon to beat Ruth or the kids. There really are quite a few very unhappy family lives going on in this book.
23. What did you think about Mary not wanting Colin at the viewing on the eve of the funeral?
I felt like I got that for both Mary and Colin. I could see Mary not wanting to deal with someone outside the family. I could see Colin wanting some alone time with his friend. But as I think about it, the customs I am used to, only the intimate family has a private viewing withthe body. so it may be he was crossing a line.
24. How about Gavin and Kay’s fight over the funeral? Then, later, his regret that he hadn’t taken her?
I was glad she took a stand for herself. I would prefer now that Gavin walk away because it does not seem like he really loves her. So let them part.
25. What did you think of Krystal’s apology to Sukhvinder? Was it sincere? Was the “insult” really an insult, or a way of bonding with her?
I thought that storyline was honest and real. I think Krystal probably did not think that it meant anything and while it was not excusable, it was probably a common term she had heard. I liked that she apologized.
26. So, from what I’m picking up, seems like Gavin’s wife was promiscuous. Right?
Not sure.
27. Comments on the different opinions of Barry’s coffin? Anything else stand out for you about the funeral?
That was an interesting coffin. Made me think of Moses basket. I liked that the kids had involvement in the funeral. I think the exit song was a funny idea, yet meaningful.
28. Drat! Fats and Krystal went all the way. Comments.
I think I expected that. She does not seem to have any support not to and he has no respect for anyone.
@ Taly#1– Sounds as though you were more success at ridding yourself of misconceptions that I was. I tried, but the crudity bothered me a lot at first. I have gotten better at it as I read more of the story. I do love the way Rowling writes. She has a way with words and the flow of the story – and, of course, pulling me in.
#3 – Good point about Miles towards his father.
#4 – Yes, that is a good way to describe my feeling, too. I felt nauseated.
#6 – I’m a retired nurse, and one patient that stood out for me was a man who had a heart attack and was given CPR by his boss. They had just gotten into a huge fight and he had just fired him – only to save his life. Happens.
@ Sharon#1 – Yes, several mysteries. She does do an excellent job with teenage perspective. You could be write about why the crudity. HP is a pretty difficult phenomenon from which to disassociate; can’t blame her, if she wants this to be separate and distinctive in its own right.
#2 – Exactly! I thought so too – about everyone’s best friend. Colin and Gavin both claim him. I wonder what he thought? I wonder if we’ll ever know.
#5 – True. Rowling does a great job with Andrew, faults and all.
#6 – Yes, very sad. Too true a depiction for many mother & daughter-in-law relationships.
#7 – Oh, I think you hit the nail on the head; Gavin is very unaware of himself. I don’t think he and Kay’s relationship will end well, either.
#8 – I thought her sincere, too. Good insight you have, IMHO. As a character, I didn’t like Krystal the most at the start of the book. She was too crude; however, now she is the one I’m rooting for the most. I hope I don’t get my heart broken. **sigh**
#11 – Yeah, I wasn’t paying as close attention to the political stuff as I should have, either. I had to go back to sort things out; I was more interested in the characters. I should have known it was going to be the focus of the book…but I don’t really care for politics.
#12 – True! There are a ton of characters! I’ve had to refer to the list in Post #3 a couple of times.
#14 – Excellent point about Kay looking at the total picture with regards to Terri, Krystal, & Robbie. Too bad she can’t do that with her own life.
#15 – Yes, I think we are going to see a lot of the aftermath of Barry’s death, the ripple effect of others’ actions and decisions on one another.
#16 – Interesting that you don’t think Gavin will be easily lead. Hmmmm…
#17 – Well. Another interesting comment. Can’t wait to find out.
#18 – Yes, Krystal is quickly becoming one of my favs.
#19 – I found Shirley’s obsession with the Queen funny, too. Oh, I didn’t think about the Church of England aspect. Good one!
#20 – Yes, I’m liking Sukhvinder, too. Makes me dislike Fats more, though he had some moments I thought he might be redeemable…until he started verbally abusing Sukhvinder.
#21 – True; a complex relationship. I saw both sides here. I found the attitude toward the sari interesting. I mean, often people are asked to cover their heads, etc. when they enter a house of worship they don’t practice, but vice versa isn’t enforced.
#22 – Yes. Really hating Simon.
#24 – I’m in agreement with you here.
#27 – Yes, liked that the kids were involved, too.
#28 – I was hoping she wouldn’t. **sigh** I hope they are using adequate protection. True, Fats is only thinking of himself.
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29. Comments on Krytal’s grandmother being taken to hospital? Are Maureen and Shirley making more of Catherine Weedon’s accusation of Dr. Parminder Jawanda’s giving her “the wrong medication” than what is fact? Or will Parminder be investigated? If so, will this give Howard ammunition against her, or just divert her focus?
30. Who do you suspect wrote the anonymous letter about Miles being “unfit to fill his (Barry’s) shoes”?
31. I was impressed that Howard could see Simon Price and Colin Wall splitting the pro-Fields vote. What do you think of Samantha not liking that Miles was going to run for the office? What do you thinking about Miles ghost writing for Howard and launching a campaign against the addiction clinic? What domino effect will this have on other people?
32. What is with Gavin thinking Kay is forcing him “to do the dirty” when he doesn’t want to go over to Miles & Samantha’s for dinner as a couple and her “worming her way in”? Then crying on her shoulder? Also, what of his not being aware of Kay’s own parallel situation to Mary’s – having to go it alone?
33. I’ll admit that I had to look up “pusillanimous”: lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity. Does this describe Gavin? Nonetheless, what is with Samantha wanting to “sharpen her claws on Gavin”? What do you think of her lustful thoughts, especially toward youthful young men? Her resentment toward Miles for not remembering their travel plans from so many years ago? Does she have a valid point about their never traveling if Miles gets the council seat?
34. Too many things about the hospital scene broke my heart. Krystal’s fear; her desire for any mention of her older sister, Anne-Marie; Nana Cath’s asking about her rowing. Comments.
35. Ick. Howard Mollison is a pervert. What are his plans for Gaia? How about all the political ramifications to hiring those three kids: Gaia Bawden, Sukhvinder Kaur Jawanda, and Andrew Price? Andrew might not like the job as potboy, but I’m betting he’ll stick with it to be near Gaia, right?
36. Whoa. A lot happened at that dinner party. Samantha’s resentment; the disastrous food; Gavin giving Mary all his attention – and walking her home (seen by Colin!); Mary’s thinness. What stood out the most for you? Personally, I think Kay’s slip about Krystal was the worst as I believe Lexie – who was “bullied” by Krystal (with reason?) – overheard and will use it against her. Comments.
37. Predictions: Will the life insurance company come through for Mary?
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I am behind again. I came down with a sinus infection and ear infection and have done nothing but sleep the last couple of days. I couldn't even begin to concentrate on a book. I hope to catch up in the next two days.
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38. Just out of curiosity, why hasn’t Andrew told Simon he has a job yet?
39. Whoa. What is with Andrew outing his father like that as “The_Ghost_of_Barry_Fairbrother”?
40. Is Krystal romanticizing Fats’ actions, or do you think he is really starting to care about her? I found it interesting that he was a little freaked by Barry’s gravesite. Comments.
41. Howard Mollison just gets more and more disgusting to me. You? Why in the world would he go to Parminder for her professional services? Ick.
42. What did you think of Terri’s expectations that Nana Cath should have saved her? Will her death send her over the deep end, or was that inevitable?
43. Is Gavin going to make a play for Mary?
44. Is Andrew also the author of the anonymous letter Howard received?
45. Do you think Andrew regrets what he has done, after what happened? BTW, I couldn’t believe Simon expecting sympathy for his hurt toe. What a narcissist. What other ramifications will this have? Comments.
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Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions, Pages 056-119; Older Days – IV to Part One (Wednesday – II) 13. Can you understand Howard Mollison’s resentment toward Krylstal Weedon? Do you think he is correct about his belief that “Young” Aubrey wants to right his father’s wrong?
From what I am understanding it seems like he resents her because she may be able to show a side of the fields that would make it sound like a place of opportunity for those in need. I don't really see how her story would be a success story, other than the rowing, but that is what I am gathering. I think that it is possible that he is correct in they "Young" Aubrey belief, but I would have to know more about the Fawleys first.
14. What do you think of Kay Bawden’s last thought at the end of Tuesday/Chapter II? Thoughts on her not telling Terri’s drug worker that she had used? How pathetic was her faking a continuing phone conversation with Gavin for her co-workers?
I was appalled by all that I read about the conditions of the house and of little Robbie. I am hoping that Kay is going to continue with helping Terry to get clean and to make sure that Robbie is well taken care of, not to mention Krystal. The phone conversation with Gavin was pathetic all the way around. I can't believe that she is so needy that she would stoop to that level of groveling and lying about her happiness to others.
15. To me, Fats is a pretty unlikeable character, but he is certainly smarter and more insightful than Andrew. True? Does he have any redeeming qualities? Comments on his Facebook page? Knowing what we know – that Fats secretly believes he needs Andrew more than Andrew need him – how profound was Tessa’s (Fats’ mother) analogy about Cubby’s loss of Barry comparable to him losing Andrew?
I don't really like Fats either. I am having a hard time finding any redeeming qualities about him. I think his Facebook page is a joke and a way to make him feel special. I think that Tessa is a very smart lady and I am enjoying her character the most so far.
16. Sooooo…whatever are the Mollison’s going to do with Gavin? Is he weak-willed and easily manipulated? Do you think the councillor (book’s spelling) seat will go to a public vote or be co-opted?
I am not sure, it sounds like they are going to manipulate him in some way. I think the councillor seat with go to a public vote, but I could be surprised.
17. BOOK QUOTE: I wonder whether Barry knew. Whatever did Tessa do? She also believes that Barry wouldn’t want Colin to take over for him; why not?
The one thing that keeps popping into my head is that Fats is not Colin's child. I think she must have had an affair. I am not sure about why she thinks Barry wouldn't want Colin to take over. I am assuming it must have something to do with his personality. I am finding it difficult to like Colin as well.
18. Krystal sure picked an unfortunate time to spend a couple nights at her friend Nikki’s. Or maybe not, if Kay’s visit is a catalyst for a change to the better. Comments. How do you feel about her taking on the responsibility of Robbie? Will she go all the way with Fats?
I don't think any teenager should feel responsible for a child, whether that be a sibling or not. I am thinking that it is a good thing that Kay is finding out all of this stuff because I am hoping that things will change for the better. I think she will go all the way with Fats, but I could be surprised.
19. What is with Shirley Mollison’s obsession with the Queen? Will her friendship with Ruth be tested, considering Simon’s plans to run for Barry’s seat?
I think Shirley is obsessed with the limelight and fame. I think that she fancies herself to be like the Queen and wants to be seen with her for the fame. I am seeing a rift occuring due to the fact that Simon is going to run for Barry's seat. It already seems to be forming.
@ Laura#13 – Yes, I guess Krystal’s rowing ability shows that everyone can achieve something, if given the right environment in which to grow.
#14 – I was totally surprised at Kay’s duplicity – and her need to do so for her co-workers. Pathetic.
#15 – True for me, too. Wonder what her secret is.
#17 – Yeah, I’m not liking too many characters in this book.
#19 – I think you nailed it!
I haven't done the reading for the next section yet. I'm in a weird mood. I may just go and watch How to Train Your Dragon and post the next set tomorrow. Doesn't look as if anyone has caught up to were we are supposed to be, besides me, anyway.
Sounds like you deserve a break and if by some miracle, I do catch up today, I don't mind doing the questions. (I doubt I will make it that far though.)
Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions, Pages 119-175; Wednesday-III to end of Part One 20. Eep! From what I’ve read, the reason behind this form of self injury is that it is “an outlet to vent out one's bottled pain.” Can you understand this form of self-abuse? To read more of the why, check out buzzle.com And she’s deduced it is Fats posting on her Facebook page; smart girl, despite her thinking she is not one. Comments.
I have gone through some rough things in my life, but I have never contemplated self mutilation. I have never understood it, but I still have sympathy for people who feel like that is their only outlet. She is very smart and I am hoping that things change for her as the book moves forward.
21. What did you think of Tessa and Dr. Parminder Jawanda’s conversation and Parminder’s breaking down sobbing? What do you suspect is at the root of her unhappiness? Do you think Tessa will believe her about Howard Mollison being a “vile man”? Any comments on her wearing a sari to the funeral?
I am a bit confused by Parminder. I don't think she was having an affair, but I am beginning to wonder. My only other thought is that maybe Barry was the only man to show her any respect and truly listen to her not just admire her. I think that Tessa will figure things out. It sounds to me like she is pretty smart about people. I think that it was her way of feeling close to Barry some how. It sounded like he would have wanted her to wear it. I don't really understand the emotions behind it though.
22. A computer? I wasn’t expecting that to be what Simon brought home! So, this one “fell off a truck” – that was the reason for all the sneaking around and his warning for the kids not to tell? Comments. Simon really is a brute. That whole installation scene got to me. You?
I can't stand Simon. He hasn't actually hit a family member yet, but I keep waiting for him to do so. I am not surprised that he is scamming and purchasing stolen goods. It sounds like this is common place for him. I am wondering if anything is going to come of the stolen goods and the wheeling and dealing.
23. What did you think about Mary not wanting Colin at the viewing on the eve of the funeral?
It sounds like even though Barry was somewhat close to Colin, Mary doesn't like him. I really wish we could see more of Mary's perspective on things. I am interested on what she really thinks of all of these people.
24. How about Gavin and Kay’s fight over the funeral? Then, later, his regret that he hadn’t taken her?
I am wondering if Gavin might truly have feelings for Kay and he is just scared. This whole relationship just seems pathetic, but maybe it can be redeemed.
25. What did you think of Krystal’s apology to Sukhvinder? Was it sincere? Was the “insult” really an insult, or a way of bonding with her?
I don't think Krystal really knows how to act around any one. She has had to deal with so much with her mom that she hasn't really had time to be a child. I think that she has made poor decisions herself, but a lot of it is due to her situation. I want to think that it wasn't said on purpose, but I am not sure.
26. So, from what I’m picking up, seems like Gavin’s wife was promiscuous. Right?
I think so, I am not sure on his wife. I might need to go back and look at that section again.
27. Comments on the different opinions of Barry’s coffin? Anything else stand out for you about the funeral?
I thought the differences in the funeral were interesting. It didn't bother me that the coffin was different and I don't understand why everyone seemed to be so offended by it. I thought the interactions between people were interesting.
28. Drat! Fats and Krystal went all the way. Comments.
I figured it was going to happen. I really dislike Fats.
Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions, Pages 176-233; begins at Part Two 29. Comments on Krytal’s grandmother being taken to hospital? Are Maureen and Shirley making more of Catherine Weedon’s accusation of Dr. Parminder Jawanda’s giving her “the wrong medication” than what is fact? Or will Parminder be investigated? If so, will this give Howard ammunition against her, or just divert her focus?
I don't feel like I know her as a character, but I am sad for the effect it will have on Krystal. I think that Maureen and Shirley are making more out of the accusation than what is fact. It sounds to me like Parminder knew what she was doing and that Mrs. Weedon was not doing what she should have been doing to keep herself healthy. I do think however that there will probably be an investigation because the opportunity for a good fued is available there.
30. Who do you suspect wrote the anonymous letter about Miles being “unfit to fill his (Barry’s) shoes”?
I almost wonder if it wasn't Mary. I also think it could have been Samantha as well.
31. I was impressed that Howard could see Simon Price and Colin Wall splitting the pro-Fields vote. What do you think of Samantha not liking that Miles was going to run for the office? What do you thinking about Miles ghost writing for Howard and launching a campaign against the addiction clinic? What domino effect will this have on other people?
I never thought Howard was dumb so I wasn't surprised that he understood what could happen with the votes. I think that we are seeing a different side of Samantha that is a bit vulnerable. Do I like the way unhappiness has made her, no. I think she is a vengeful woman and I pity her. I can see that she is not living the life that she expected to have with Miles. I think that closing down the clinic would have an adverse affect and that they would end up regretting it in the end.
32. What is with Gavin thinking Kay is forcing him “to do the dirty” when he doesn’t want to go over to Miles & Samantha’s for dinner as a couple and her “worming her way in”? Then crying on her shoulder? Also, what of his not being aware of Kay’s own parallel situation to Mary’s – having to go it alone?
I get the feeling that Gavin has no idea what he wants. I think that he is an emotional wreck and that he needs to just be alone for awhile. He has no real understanding of anything around himself because he is so messed up. I feel sorry for Kay at times, but then I also find myself getting angry with her for not being a bit more independent and caring about her own self worth.
33. I’ll admit that I had to look up “pusillanimous”: lacking courage and resolution; marked by contemptible timidity. Does this describe Gavin? Nonetheless, what is with Samantha wanting to “sharpen her claws on Gavin”? What do you think of her lustful thoughts, especially toward youthful young men? Her resentment toward Miles for not remembering their travel plans from so many years ago? Does she have a valid point about their never traveling if Miles gets the council seat?
I do think that word describes Gavin to a degree, but I also think a lot of what we see is his depression. He obviously loved Lisa in his own way. I think Sam just wants everyone to be as unhappy as herself and that is why she is trying to make Gavin and everyone else miserable. Obviously her marraige is not what she wants it to be and I think she is lustful because of that as well. I think she does have a valid point about Miles and the Councillor seat, but I also think their problems are more deeply rooted than that.
34. Too many things about the hospital scene broke my heart. Krystal’s fear; her desire for any mention of her older sister, Anne-Marie; Nana Cath’s asking about her rowing. Comments.
It was all very depressing. Krystal obviously loves her Great-grandmother. I feel sad that she has no other sense of family other than Robbie. It is obvious that she very much wants a close family. People to share things with. I just hope that some things for her change before the end of the book.
35. Ick. Howard Mollison is a pervert. What are his plans for Gaia? How about all the political ramifications to hiring those three kids: Gaia Bawden, Sukhvinder Kaur Jawanda, and Andrew Price? Andrew might not like the job as potboy, but I’m betting he’ll stick with it to be near Gaia, right?
He is a pervert! Howard is also sneaky. I am wondering exactly how he is planning to use the teenagers against their parents. I am sure Andrew is going to stick out the job. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
36. Whoa. A lot happened at that dinner party. Samantha’s resentment; the disastrous food; Gavin giving Mary all his attention – and walking her home (seen by Colin!); Mary’s thinness. What stood out the most for you? Personally, I think Kay’s slip about Krystal was the worst as I believe Lexie – who was “bullied” by Krystal (with reason?) – overheard and will use it against her. Comments.
Yes, I agree about Kay's slip. I am wondering how that is going to affect Krystal and everyone else around her now. I also am wondering what exactly Colin is going to say about seeing Mary with Gavin. I also wonder if Gavin doesn't really have feelings for Mary. It all just seemed really strange.
37. Predictions: Will the life insurance company come through for Mary?
I sure hope so. It sounds like she needs it.
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46. Well, Simon finding out about Andrew’s job was less that I thought it would be. You? Do you think Andrew will let him know anything vital?
47. What? Is Colin touching young girls?
48. Uh oh. Will Kay’s going to Colin and Tessa’s cause a riff between her and Gavin?
49. Have you ever met anyone like Barry, a natural at teaching and encouraging?
50. I feel really sorry for Sukhvinder, because – man-oh-man – Parminder needs a Valium, or something. Like a parenting class. Were you surprised that it was Sukhvinder that accessed the council’s website as “The_Ghost_of_Barry_Fairbrother”?
51. Alright. I’ll be honest and say I’m ready to quit this book after Krystal’s (view spoiler) I’ve about had it. This book is depressing and sad. While beautifully written, there is no one for whom to root. Is this going to push Krystal over the edge? Comments.
52. Do you think Andrew will post more under “The_Ghost_of_Barry_Fairbrother”? Sukhvinder? Or will it be someone else?
@Laura#21 – I think you are right about Parminder.
#23 – Yes, I’d like to see more of Mary’s perspective.
#24 – I think there is a part of Gavin that does care for Kay, however, he isn’t in love with her and is using her not just for sex, but because he is lonely.
#25 – I agree!
#27 – Yes, I didn’t get what the big deal was, either.
#28 – I’m with you on that.
#29 – Yes, I felt that Parminder was not in the wrong. There are certain meds that people with CHF should not take.
#30 – Hmmm. We have yet to see.
#31 – I agree; I don’t think closing down the clinic is a good idea.
#32 – Interesting! I find myself angry at Kay for not being more independent, too! LOL!
#33 – Good point; their problems are more deeply rooted.
#35 – It will be interesting.
#36 – Yes, I think Gavin is in love with Mary (of course, that she was Barry's holds appeal, too); however, I don’t know if he’ll act on it. He might be too spineless.
Hey, ladies ^_^
Just letting you know that I'm reading, but a bit behind. New job has messed up all my schedules. I'll try to seat tomorrow a while and answer as far as I've reached.
I'm also struggling with the misery this books is foisting on me, if I'm honest. Will need a pick me up. Anyone else on that boat?.
Just letting you know that I'm reading, but a bit behind. New job has messed up all my schedules. I'll try to seat tomorrow a while and answer as far as I've reached.
I'm also struggling with the misery this books is foisting on me, if I'm honest. Will need a pick me up. Anyone else on that boat?.
I'm definitely on that boat, Taly. Not the type of book I want to read at this time of year. Or any time of year, actually. Very depressing.
I agree too, this book is not going to get a very high rating from me. Not because its not good writing, I just am not enjoying it very much.
Yes, I find I'm forcing myself to get back to it because of my commitment here. Not enjoying it at all. Though, the characters are very well written, in that I can picture them clearly. All the marriages are bad ones, and most of the people are, too. I think I know where J.K. Rowling is going with this book, and why... but I've already experienced enough of this type of stuff in my nursing career.
I agree with both of you. Been writing comments I want to make in my review later, and I keep coming up with "Well written, but so very depressing"
38. Just out of curiosity, why hasn’t Andrew told Simon he has a job yet?I think that Andrew tries to avoid any and all interaction with Simon. He probably assumes its not going to help him any so why bother sharing the information with him.
39. Whoa. What is with Andrew outing his father like that as “The_Ghost_of_Barry_Fairbrother”?
I think he is finally sick of his father and sees that him being on the council would be nothing but bad news for the community. I think he took a big risk, but he felt it was his only choice.
40. Is Krystal romanticizing Fats’ actions, or do you think he is really starting to care about her? I found it interesting that he was a little freaked by Barry’s gravesite. Comments.
I think that she is romanticizing. It is obvious that he isn't interested in her so much as others in the community. I also thought it was odd that he was freaked by Barry's gravesite. I didn't think he would be the type to be weirded out by those types of things.
41. Howard Mollison just gets more and more disgusting to me. You? Why in the world would he go to Parminder for her professional services? Ick.
He is extremely creepy. I think that he enjoys making others uncomfortable and feeling like he has power over them.
42. What did you think of Terri’s expectations that Nana Cath should have saved her? Will her death send her over the deep end, or was that inevitable?
I found the whole thing very sad. If Terri had lived with Nana Cath then maybe none of the situation she is in would have occured. I think she would have eventually gone over the deep end over something else if not the death of Nana Cath.
43. Is Gavin going to make a play for Mary?
It sure does sound like it.
44. Is Andrew also the author of the anonymous letter Howard received?
I doubt it. I get the feeling that Andrew is not as bad as he makes himself out to be. I think he is a softy at heart.
45. Do you think Andrew regrets what he has done, after what happened? BTW, I couldn’t believe Simon expecting sympathy for his hurt toe. What a narcissist. What other ramifications will this have? Comments.
I think Andrew does regret what he has done. It caused hurt to everyone in the family. I can't stand Simon. He is such a bully. I am wondering if there will be an investigation.
@Laura#38 – I can see that.
#39 – Oh? You think he was thinking of the community? Could be.
#40 – I think she is romanticizing, too. A lot of people free over ghosts and trodding on gravesites of someone they know – I guess that makes a difference to him, as opposed to someone unknown. He should have thought of that before going there for a shag.
#41 – I think you’re right!
#42 – It is sad. So, you think she has an addictive personality/
#44 &45 – Me, too.
Sorry. Haven't done the reading...I skinned ahead and this book is just so depressing. Not what I need right now.
No Worries, I have been extra busy today and I still have one more set before I am all caught up. I am reading it now and I will try to read tomorrow too if I have time.
Sorry, got a migraine yesterday. I guess I'll pick the book back up today.
Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions, Pages 288-344, Part III, VI Things denied... 46. Well, Simon finding out about Andrew’s job was less that I thought it would be. You? Do you think Andrew will let him know anything vital?
I was surprised a bigger deal wasn't made over the job thing, too. I don't expect Andrew to be very helpful at all. Although, Andrew doesn't want to be humiliated, so he could decide to help because of that.
47. What? Is Colin touching young girls?
I thought that whole comment was weird. I am wondering if we will hear anything more about it. He doesn't really strike me as the type of person who would do those things.
48. Uh oh. Will Kay’s going to Colin and Tessa’s cause a riff between her and Gavin?
It sounds to me like they are slowly going towards a big blow up fight.
49. Have you ever met anyone like Barry, a natural at teaching and encouraging?
There are a few teachers that I work with who are like this. I hope that one day, as I get more teaching experience, I too could be this type of teacher and mentor.
50. I feel really sorry for Sukhvinder, because – man-oh-man – Parminder needs a Valium, or something. Like a parenting class. Were you surprised that it was Sukhvinder that accessed the council’s website as “The_Ghost_of_Barry_Fairbrother”?
I am really disappointed in Parminder. I was hoping that her character was going to be "good", but she is just as bad as the others at parenting. I really can't stand adults that call children names and stoop down to the childs level. They should be able to communicate in a way that does not belittle the child.
51. Alright. I’ll be honest and say I’m ready to quit this book. I’ve about had it. This book is depressing and sad. While beautifully written, there is no one for whom to root. Is this going to push Krystal over the edge? Comments.
I am so irritated by this whole situation. I am not sure what is going to happen with her at this point. I am finding it difficult to even look at this book at the moment.
52. Do you think Andrew will post more under “The_Ghost_of_Barry_Fairbrother”? Sukhvinder? Or will it be someone else?
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if some other teenager posts something on the website. It seems like they all hate their parents.
I am all caught up! YAY!
@ Laura#46 – I completely agree; I thought it would be a bigger deal. I also don’t think he’ll help his father. We’ll see.
#47 – He doesn’t me, either! Now Howard is a different story. Interesting.
#48 – Yes.
#49 – I bet you are better than you think. ☺
#50 – That is a good word for it: disappointed. Me, too.
#51 – Ah! I am not alone. I did pick up something happy to read. I just couldn’t handle it. I’ll get back to the book. Maybe today. If so, I might just do the DQs for the next section, or I might just finish off the whole book. Life’s too short to be dreading picking up a book.
#52 – Yeah. Everybody hates everybody – whether they are sleeping with them or not!
I haven't touched the book since Friday morning. I picked it up today to read some. If I get back from church in time I might be able to do the DQ's for you, but I am not sure where this set is supposed to end. I have the kindle version of the book.
Sorry, Laura. I just couldn't pick this book up again. I did skim to the end the other day and I know what is coming. It is just so (view spoiler) Anyway. I think I'll just combine all the DQs for the last sections. And they will be very brief. Is that okay? Let me know when you are done.
Sure its fine, I completely understand. I am just finishing it because I can't bear the thought of leaving a book unfinished. It is the most depressing book I have ever read.
Laura wrote: "It is the most depressing book I have ever read."It is. I felt bad about not getting the the DQs. But seriously, I had to watch a bunch of animated Disney movies to get over it. I'm not kidding. I dreamed about it at night and thought about it first thing on awakening. I was NOT happy about that.
I finally finished this retchedly depressing book. I will be giving it two stars. I would have given it one, but I figured the good writing at least deserved a two. I would not recommend it to anyone and I wish that I hadn't wasted $15 dollars on it.
Yeah. I feel the say way, and I bought the hardcover and the audio. **sigh**
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Hopefully enough time has passed now that you don't need to continue a Disney movie marathon :)
I couldn't finish it. I got one third in, and there it is, mocking me. Not even the buddy read could give me enough motivation to follow.
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I was surprised at how much I enjoyed this book. (ducking!!)
I didn't have high expectations that JKR would be able to shake-off Harry and write a good stand-alone novel, and I decided that JKR is an extremely talented writer. As I was reading I was super impressed that she can go from the HP series to this.
The book perhaps does go a bit overboard with the theme of "people like us" and "not in my backyard" mentality in that there are not many characters to like, but I love that JKR was really shining a light on prejudices in modern society and the impact that negative/ignorant viewpoints can have. In fact they have just as much impact as the death of the "nice guy" of the town has at the start of the book. It is just that the latter is much more obvious to people.
A very complex novel of behaviours that I found fascinating and you can't help but look at yourself and be honest about what characteristics you have that were reflected within the charcters in the book.
It will be interesting to see what JKR comes up with next :)
Oh, I though the book was really well done. Masterfully written, good character building and a simple premise that launches a world. I just couldn't take the misery, which is not about the author, but me. Or yes, it is about the author, but only in so far as "woman wrote it so well that it got to me"
I intend to finish it, sometime. I need to be in a very happy place first. Or a busy one :D
I intend to finish it, sometime. I need to be in a very happy place first. Or a busy one :D
Lisa Kay wrote: "Laura wrote: "It is the most depressing book I have ever read."It is. I felt bad about not getting the the DQs. But seriously, I had to watch a bunch of animated Disney movies to get over it. ..."
Oh my, I´m really curious now. People say that when a books leaves such a strong mark on you, you know it´s a good book. I don´t remember when I last read a book that made me feel anything at all. Sure, during reading I was feeling sad or I was angry or slightly "in love" but I really don´t remember that any of the books I´ve read this year made me remember the story or characters after finishing the book, and I´ve read a lot of different books!
I´m going to start this one, since people either like it or dislike it. Any middle ground?
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@Lara - I think this is certainly a polarising book and is be surprised if you didn't have an emotional reaction when reading it. Have you read Me Before You (Jojo Moyes) or Before I Fall (Lauren Oliver)? They are 2 books this year that got into my psyche and I still ruminate over months later!
Karen wrote: "@Z Taly - completely understand! I think if you struggled with the misery a third through, you may need therapy by the end...!@Lara - I think this is certainly a polarising book and is be surpris..."
I actually gave up Before I Fall by L. Oliver after 5 or so chapters. It´s just too slow for my taste, I was bored.
I´ll check Me Before You, though, thanks. (:
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I just compared our books - looks like you have given up on a few that I really enjoyed... so maybe don't take my recommendations on..lol!
Lára IS wrote: "Lisa Kay wrote: "Laura wrote: "It is the most depressing book I have ever read."
It is. I felt bad about not getting the the DQs. But seriously, I had to watch a bunch of animated Disney movies ..."
No middle ground I think. It IS a good book. You are right about the books that rise emotions. As far as the story and not the content is the cause of the polarization. After all, there are many books where the rave/hate thing comes from dubious writing and thorny subjects more than emotional response to the story. That is not the case here. As you go through the reviews, you'll see a lot of complains, but bad writing is not one of them :D
It is. I felt bad about not getting the the DQs. But seriously, I had to watch a bunch of animated Disney movies ..."
No middle ground I think. It IS a good book. You are right about the books that rise emotions. As far as the story and not the content is the cause of the polarization. After all, there are many books where the rave/hate thing comes from dubious writing and thorny subjects more than emotional response to the story. That is not the case here. As you go through the reviews, you'll see a lot of complains, but bad writing is not one of them :D
Yes, it is an excellent book, beautifully written. I think that fact that it left me with "nightmares" is proof enough of that. However, maybe it is the optimist in me, but I don't think all married couples are like that, that all "communities" are like that - I mean each and every one!?!
Though, I do get - I think - what JKR was trying to say: "Not in my backyard." for one...
Maybe I'm too old and have seen too much, read too many sociology and nursing research articles, on a lot of the things in this book; it was just too, too much. And not the way I want to spend my leisure reading.
No ducking required. To each his or her own.
Lisa Kay’s Discussion Questions, Pages 056-119; Older Days – IV to Part One (Wednesday – II)
13. Can you understand Howard Mollison’s resentment toward Krylstal Weedon? Do you think he is correct about his belief that “Young” Aubrey wants to right his father’s wrong?
No, I am having trouble following that part of the story.
14. What do you think of Kay Bawden’s last thought at the end of Tuesday/Chapter II? Thoughts on her not telling Terri’s drug worker that she had used? How pathetic was her faking a continuing phone conversation with Gavin for her co-workers?
I empathized with Kay's last thought from the point of view that sometimes at first blush, it can feel that way. But I think if Kay really looks at the total picture and what the total picture means, Terri's living in squalor, what it is doing to her children, her lack of self, if she takes on all of that, then I don't think she would think what she did. Kay is certainly flawed. I think a social worker who does not tell that someone used seems a bit of a stretch to me. I did not find that so realistic. Her fake conversation with Gavin shows her flaws. I like that J.K. Rowling is showing characters with flaws. I'm trying to decide if her characters are a little too all-good or all-bad. I think the book will be more interesting if the characters are not one-dimensional.
15. To me, Fats is a pretty unlikeable character, but he is certainly smarter and more insightful than Andrew. True? Does he have any redeeming qualities? Comments on his Facebook page? Knowing what we know – that Fats secretly believes he needs Andrew more than Andrew need him – how profound was Tessa’s (Fats’ mother) analogy about Cubby’s loss of Barry comparable to him losing Andrew?
Wow - can I just say I am missing a lot. I hadn't realized how much Fats needs Andrew but it rings true. For me, Andrew and Fats are equally aware of what is going on. I find Andrew to be more in touch with how his actions and Fats affect others.
16. Sooooo…whatever are the Mollison’s going to do with Gavin? Is he weak-willed and easily manipulated? Do you think the councillor (book’s spelling) seat will go to a public vote or be co-opted?
I think I am not following the politics so well. I'm not sure what to say about this except, I think Gavin may not be so easily led.
17. BOOK QUOTE: I wonder whether Barry knew. Whatever did Tessa do? She also believes that Barry wouldn’t want Colin to take over for him; why not?
I wondered if this had something to do with Tessa having an affair. I think she thinks Barry would not want Colin to have the stress and pressure.
18. Krystal sure picked an unfortunate time to spend a couple nights at her friend Nikki’s. Or maybe not, if Kay’s visit is a catalyst for a change to the better. Comments. How do you feel about her taking on the responsibility of Robbie? Will she go all the way with Fats?
I think Krystal's attempts to care for Robbie make her a more sympathetic character for me. What she is proposing to do is very hard.
19. What is with Shirley Mollison’s obsession with the Queen? Will her friendship with Ruth be tested, considering Simon’s plans to run for Barry’s seat?
The part where Shirley is imagining herself meeting the Queen is one of the only passages about her I enjoyed. I thought that was funny and wondered if it was something common to a woman of her age and type. Not being British, I'm not sure I totally get it, but I believe the Queen is also the leader of the Church of England, so her comment about religion fits.