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message 1: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) I put my books up on torrent sites.

How'd you like them apples?


message 2: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) It's working fine.

What does the popularity of your fanpage prove?


message 3: by Miles (new)

Miles Gentry (miles_gentry) | 9 comments You see the discount bins at the bookstores and music stores. These are artists whom have grown "out of favor" and their merchandise is greatly reduced, in hopes of getting rid of it to make room for something better or more popular.

Why would an artist/author choose to start their career in a relative position? Who wants to be in the bargain bin?

The price of food analogy is appropriate. To sell your book for less than the price of a bottle of water...??? The water is consumed within minutes and the container discarded. The water forgotten about immediately. Is an independent author's work worth less than even a bottle of water?

[rhetorical questions of course.]

A good book is valuable. A great book, invaluable.


message 4: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) AC, you're going to have to elaborate on this.

I have never, ever said that any of my methods will guarantee a huge fan base.


message 5: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) I've never made a post about agents and publishers.

You're getting me confused with someone else.


message 6: by Alana ~ The Book Pimp (last edited Oct 07, 2012 06:29PM) (new)

Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments A.C., as one of the Mods of this group, I must ask that you refrain from calling people names, even in a roundabout way. You may or may not agree with Michael and his choices on how to promote his books, but his statements do not appear to be demeaning and threatening to you.

In addition, just demanding people move on to another thread should they disagree with you defeats the purpose of a public discussion thread. If you do not want to hear other opinions, do not put the topic thread out there.

That being said, you are welcome to still share you opinions on the price of books, as well as any other topic that does not violate Making Connections rules and GoodReads policy.


Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments A.C. wrote: "Yes quite right, did mistake you for another a hole talking about an almost identical thing, and happy to admit that that exact conversation i noted was wrong."

That was you calling Michael an a hole in a roundabout way. At least that is how I read it. Do you really want to be taunting me?


message 8: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) AC, you are once again getting people and arguments confused.

At no point have I claimed that any one, particular thing that I do will guarantee an increased fan base, and I also didn't claim that every, single person who pirates one of my books will go on to buy one.

I'm perfectly aware that the torrenting of my own books isn't actually piracy. However, not everyone actually knows what a torrent is, so using the word piracy kept things simple.

It has to be said, your knowledge of copyright law is flawed in the extreme.

As for your "why would they buy it?" question, that was answered in the article itself.


Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments He's left the group, Michael, and if he had not he would have been booted. He's a perfect example of authors 'behaving badly'.


message 10: by Michael (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) Fair enough. Them Australians, eh?


Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments I'd hate to have him reflect on other Australians. I prefer to think he just is missing some sort of politeness gene


message 12: by Sheri (last edited Oct 08, 2012 08:48AM) (new)

Sheri Go Michael and Alana!


Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments I love how he questioned "if I am fit to have a job here" ... he obviously missed the memo that Mods are volunteers, and he missed the memo on GoodReads Author Policies.


Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments Although it will be a cold day in hell when I shell out around $50 for his books (when you include shipping)


message 15: by Alana ~ The Book Pimp (last edited Oct 08, 2012 08:59AM) (new)

Alana ~ The Book Pimp (loonyalana) | 501 comments And, just to throw my opinion on the topic he posted originally...

I think the common practice of Indy authors making the first book in their series free or $0.99 is a great 'gateway drug' to lead readers to continue (and pay more) for the other books. In my opinion.

And he tried to dismiss the 'unknown' author argument.... Well, one of the examples he used was that you don't NOT go to a restaurant because you don't know the chef. Yes, but if the food sucks you can send it back to the kitchen. Once you've paid for a book, if it stinks to high heaven you can't send it back to the author to get a new, better one.

And FYI, I would NEVER spend $30 on a T-shirt unless it did dishes, too. Maybe balanced my check book or something.


message 16: by Michael (last edited Oct 08, 2012 12:59PM) (new)

Michael Cargill (michaelcargill) Making your first books free/cheaper is fine (I did it!), but probably doesn't make much difference in the long term with regards to commercial success.

The biggest battle an indie author faces, is getting themselves known.

Do the free/lower prices help with that? It works for some, but not for others. I think being strongly for or against it is a bit silly.

If you read some of the threads on KDP Select, some authors have had sales spikes from it, whilst others have had nothing.


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