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message 601: by Linda2 (last edited Feb 12, 2013 08:43AM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Lynnm wrote: "MadgeUK wrote: "Oh and something for the DA fans. Julian Fellowes is presenting a series on our great houses and the history thereof which I hope will get to PBS. He has a very irreverent and amus..."

I can never get enough of those houses! Because I love museums.
PBS showed a series on the great "country houses" a few years back, narrated by the Queen's 3rd son, whose name I can never remember. He's a personable fellow, and is probably grateful to be out of the limelight.

I registered at the site, but the videos are "not available in my area." I think they can tell from your email address.


message 602: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments I tried a UK-Based proxy about a year back, but proxies slow down your internet to a crawl.


message 603: by Lynnm (last edited Feb 12, 2013 11:09AM) (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments MadgeUK wrote: "Oh, sorry Lynn - that was the link I meant to post on Fellowes:) Can you pick this up:-

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/great-h...

I am afraid that capital..."


Sadly, I couldn't get it either.

Love the quote by Lucy Parsons. And you are right - we need to rethink the way we do capitalism, and the amount of power corporations have over our governments.

Unfortunately, people are so afraid of losing their jobs that they are willing to let corporations get away with anything. What they fail to realize is that no matter what they do, give corporations everything they have, but if corporations find a better deal elsewhere, they will leave them high and dry and move on.


message 604: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/boo...

Some of you might find this article about Goodreads in today's NYT of interest.


message 605: by Linda2 (last edited Feb 14, 2013 07:18AM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Lily wrote: "http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/boo...

Some of you might find this article..."



There's only one minor mention of the book clubs. :-(


message 606: by MadgeUK (last edited Feb 13, 2013 11:41PM) (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Terrible things are happening in the UK without protest. As a result of cruel Tory policies, which are increasing the rents of poor people in London, thousands are being forced to move out. The Council where my daughter works is the latest to report that up to 3000 people will be affected. As well as capping rent benefits, a tax is being imposed on those with spare bedrooms. London is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live and rents have been subsidised for many years, which is the only way for lower paid workers to live there and to 'service' the city. What grieves me most is that this is being done without any protest, not even from the Labour Party. Children are being taken out of their schools, parents are being moved away from grandparents, brothers and sisters. Whole communities are being split up. And these are not 'scroungers', the majority of them are hard working people in low paid jobs. I despair:(:(:(

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb...


message 607: by msleighm (new)

msleighm Thank you for the NYTimes link, it was very informative!


message 608: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments Lily wrote: "http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/boo...

Some of you might find this article about Goodreads in today's NYT of interest."


I read that! Nice to see Goodreads get some ink. This is a great site.


message 609: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments MadgeUK wrote: "Terrible things are happening in the UK without protest. As a result of cruel Tory policies, which are increasing the rents of poor people in London, thousands are being forced to move out. The Cou..."

I don't understand why people aren't protesting. In the UK and in the U.S.

Sadly, I think that people have been accustomed to be screwed over by the 1%.


message 610: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
Maybe it's because they feel hopeless. I know I certainly feel that way. I feel like no matter who I vote into office, the corporations will own them. I feel like no matter how hard anybody works at their job, there is no longer a moral sense of responsibility between company and employee. I feel like the closer my friends get to retirement, the more frequently they are laid off - to not be hired again by anybody due to age - so that the corporation doesn't have to pay retirement and health benefits to an aging person. It makes me very very very sad


message 611: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments Deborah wrote: "Maybe it's because they feel hopeless. I know I certainly feel that way. I feel like no matter who I vote into office, the corporations will own them. I feel like no matter how hard anybody work..."

I know - I've felt that way myself many times. But ... we can't give up.


message 612: by Lynnm (new)

Lynnm | 3025 comments And speaking of not giving up. 50,000 in DC today in a climate change rally.

And of the few media outlets reporting on it was USA Today - good for them:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/na...


message 613: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments http://www.filoli.org/images/photos/h...

Dream Library

Filoli's library (Woodside, CA) -- a copy of the library at Denham Place, England.

More here: http://www.filoli.org/explore-filoli/...

American versions of grand houses for Downton Abbey fans. From this article: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/16/travel/...


message 614: by Linda2 (last edited Feb 18, 2013 06:31PM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Lily wrote: "http://www.filoli.org/images/photos/h...



Filoli's library (Woodside, CA) -- a copy of the library at Denham Place, England.

More here: http://www.filoli.org/explore-filoli/th..."



Kykuit is right near me, but I've never been there. I have been to one of the Vanderbilt mansions on the Hudson and the Jay Gould estate, Lyndhurst.

I could easily live at Cranbrook. So beautiful.


message 615: by Denise (last edited Feb 19, 2013 01:11PM) (new)

Denise (dulcinea3) | 269 comments I saw a show on TV about Kykuit, which was fascinating. I think it might have been on the History Channel. The conflicts between father and son, and their respective architects, about the design of the house, theories about the father wanting to recreate, in some ways, the humble house that his family lived in when he was young and poor, the fact that once the house was completed, it had so many problems that the upper stories were torn down and rebuilt, the connections and incidents with the Black Hand mob, etc. If you can find the show, I recommend it. I have never visited the estate.

My mother went to the Biltmore several years ago, because her parents had gone there when she was young (without her), and they had enjoyed it. In her later years, she has been interested in visiting places that her parents had traveled to. After my father retired, they went to Paris, and in 2000 they finally made it to the Passion Play in Oberammergau, Germany. She has not expressed any desire to go to Havana, however, probably because of the changes there since it was a favorite of her parents. Her father was a wealthy, completely self-made man - came to the U.S. on his own from Germany as a ten-year-old orphan to stay with an aunt in NY who kicked him out and told him he was on his own at 16, apprenticed to Tesla on the Niagra Falls power station, became a mechanical and electrical engineer, held a number of patents, etc.

I have been to all (I think) of the Newport mansions that are open for tours, and the Elms is my favorite, so I'm glad that they chose that one. The Breakers is the most famous, probably followed by Marble House (both built by the Vanderbilts), but I think that the Elms is the most elegant and pleasing to the eye.


message 616: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Denise wrote: "The Breakers is the most famous, probably followed by Marble House (both built by the Vanderbilts)..."

One of my fun memories is having gone to a benefit (some medical charity, probably cancer-related) at the Marble House with my husband and some friends many years ago. I have visited the Breakers, but I don't recall having been to the Elms. So maybe another visit if my Rhode Island ex-roommate returns for awhile from her long sojourn in one of our westernmost states.


message 617: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013...

Is Madge or someone else around to comment on what sounds like such a very different legal system than what we presume in the United States?


message 618: by MadgeUK (last edited Feb 20, 2013 05:32AM) (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments In what way Lily? The publicity around a case in the UK is subject to legal restrictions so that the case is not prejudiced before it begins and this has been tightened up in the light of the recent Murdoch press shenanigins. This is on the principle that someone is innocent until proven guilty and should not be 'tried' by the press. Trial by jury would come later when the case goes to a higher court, initial proceedings would be in front of a local Magistrate.


message 619: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Do I understand correctly that there is not a jury in South Africa, or did I misread?


message 620: by MadgeUK (last edited Feb 20, 2013 07:11AM) (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Mmm...it says that local trials have no juries, which is like ours but does not say whether there are juries at higher courts, as is usually the case in the UK.

However, our system changed in 2009 and a judge can now recommend a trial without a jury if it is a very complex case, or is likely to be very lengthy or there is a likelihood that juries will be tampered with. It was a controversial decision.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8106590...


message 621: by ☯Emily (new)

☯Emily  Ginder Lily, I also read that there is no trial by jury in South Africa. I'm not sure if that applies to all trials or just murder.


message 622: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Here is a blog about the no-jury system in South Africa:-

http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za...


message 623: by Lily (last edited Feb 20, 2013 03:58PM) (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Thank you. This is the conversation I was seeking.

While the US recognizes the jury system is flawed, my impression is that it also has a great deal of faith in it. Sort of like what I believe it was Winston Churchill said about democracy --Flawed, but the best we've got. But trials are a different aspect of justice than government, so it is of interest to see the arguments and experiences.


message 624: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments Lily wrote: "Thank you. This is the conversation I was seeking.

While the US recognizes the jury system is flawed, my impression is that it also has a great deal of faith in it. Sort of like what I believe i..."


I'm listening to BBC News, and two citizens of South Africa are being interviewed. One says your average South African couldn't imagine why something that important would be left to a jury to decide. Interesting...


message 625: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Folks might be interested in this 360o panorama from the top of our new tallest building The Shard:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesig...


message 626: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments MadgeUK wrote: "Folks might be interested in this 360o panorama from the top of our new tallest building The Shard:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesig......"



You can zoom in by rolling your mouse wheel while holding CTRL. Beautiful.


message 627: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Wonderful link, Madge. (msg 659)

Came across this one as well for the RC Cathedral in Liverpool:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesig...


message 628: by MadgeUK (last edited Mar 01, 2013 01:19AM) (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments As an 80th birthday present, I treated myself to an affectionate new cat yesterday when my son in law took me to a nearby Animal Shelter. She will be here on Sunday:-

http://www.woodgreen.org.uk/rehome/ca...

She reminds me of Cleo when she was young. I got Cleo from the same centre, where each cat has a lovely, airy little room all to themselves, complete with comfy bed and toys. She has been speyed and de-flead and will be chipped and vaccinated before she leaves, all at a cost of only $106.

I am looking forward to some cuddles again:).


message 629: by Frances, Moderator (new)

Frances (francesab) | 2299 comments Mod
Happy Birthday and best wishes to both you and your new companion. In my view, reading with a snuggling cat beside you is one of the great pleasures of life!


message 630: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Thankyou! It certainly is and I look forward to it immensely:).


message 631: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
You have made me very happy Madge. I've been worrying about you without any kitty cuddles, and am overjoyed to hear that the cuddles are right around the corner. Happy Birthday. And what a fine present it is! I wish I was there - I would give both of you a hug right now.


message 632: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Thank you Deborah, you are a sweetie:)


message 633: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments MadgeUK wrote: "As an 80th birthday present, I treated myself to an affectionate new cat yesterday when my son in law took me to a nearby Animal Shelter. She will be here on Sunday:-

http://www.woodgreen.org.uk/..."


:-D


message 634: by Denise (new)

Denise (dulcinea3) | 269 comments Lucy looks very sweet, Madge! I'm sure that you and she will be very happy together! Congratulations on your birthday and on your new companion!


message 635: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
So now I have a question. What will you name her?


message 636: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments That takes time.


message 637: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Thankyou Denise. She is called Lucy and I quite like that name:)


message 638: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
MadgeUK wrote: "Thankyou Denise. She is called Lucy and I quite like that name:)"

I like it too. She's beautiful, and she's going to a wonderful home.


message 639: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments I've been looking through the Wood Green site, and all the farm animals have names except the poor chicken, just designated as "ex-caged chicken." Someone over there should name it!

We welcome Lucy into our library. Coconut wants to go over and play.


message 640: by MadgeUK (last edited Mar 02, 2013 11:36PM) (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments We will have to Skype them when Lucy is settled in Rochelle:)

Thanks for all the good wishes to us both everyone. I had the most SPLENDIFEROUS birthday yesterday! First, my elder daughter and younger son took me to the MARVELLOUS Ice Age Exhibition at the British Museum, where everything was older than I was:). Then for tea at the LUXURIOUS venue of the Palm Court Restaurant at Langham's Hotel in the West End where, SURPRISE SURPRISE, not only were my other two children and six grandchildren waiting but a whole gang of other friends, several of whom I had not seen for years and years!!!

http://www.britishmuseum.org/whats_on...

http://www.palm-court.co.uk/#/afterno...

Today is Lucy Day and her filled dishes and beds await!


message 641: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
How fun Madge. I am so glad it was a special day for you. And now another special day. Madison told me to tell Lucy - welcome home and that she has found a great one.


message 642: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Thanks Madison! Lucy is a real fusspot and is now happily ensconced on my bed! If you know how to copy and past the pics I sent of her please post them here:)


message 643: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
I tried a couple of different things to copy and paste the pics, but was not successful. ;-(


message 644: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments I expect Rochelle will know how to do it:)


message 645: by MadgeUK (new)

MadgeUK | 5213 comments Lucy has already made herself quite at home. She slept on my bed last night and this morning has found the sunny windowsill above my computer that Cleo used to lie on. She is very purry and fussy, and is also using her litter tray without any prompting:).


message 646: by Deborah, Moderator (new)

Deborah (deborahkliegl) | 4617 comments Mod
I'm glad you posted this. I was wondering last evening how she was doing. She sounds like she's happy to be home.


message 647: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments MadgeUK wrote: "Lucy has already made herself quite at home. She slept on my bed last night and this morning has found the sunny windowsill above my computer that Cleo used to lie on. She is very purry and fussy, ..."

Such delightful news!


message 648: by Linda2 (last edited Mar 04, 2013 07:51PM) (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments MadgeUK wrote: "I expect Rochelle will know how to do it:)"

You can't copy and paste here, or you can but it's very difficult. You have upload them to your profile page and them copy the URL of the pic.Click your avatar and then

"Edit profile."
"delete or change photo"
Add photos.


message 649: by Linda2 (new)

Linda2 | 3749 comments On the death of the print Britannica
http://www.aeonmagazine.com/being-hum...


message 650: by Lily (new)

Lily (joy1) | 2631 comments Rochelle wrote: "On the death of the print Britannica
http://www.aeonmagazine.com/being-hum..."


Thank you, Rochelle.

I remember a market study that we did in the late '80's - early '90's, just before the Internet burst upon us, that showed a strong sprinkling of interest across a wide geographic and economic swath for library access at home. I also remember at the time that the data was held in askance -- we weren't quite certain we trusted the demand we were seeing.


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