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Did Four and Beatrice did it already?
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Totally.
Alot of teen books get filled with "adult relationship" elements, which let's be honest, is just to appeal to the racing heart teens out there. Her writing of their romantic scenes has gone very well so far, I would probably just want to see more of their amazing chemistry, but they don't need to sleep together yet. Also, neither of them are in the right head space right now to throw that in the mix.
Melissa wrote: "I really hope that she doesn't ruin it by having them have sex. It would cause me to lose a lot of respect for the author. They're teenagers. She should just let them be teenagers rather than th..."
Totally agree.
Totally agree.

No they did not. Tris is not ready yet, and I'm hoping to get to Four first;) lol


She's 16, he's 18... Ofcouse they're gonna have sex...
The average age for having sex for the first time differs from contry to country, and even from region to region, but from where i'm sitting (Denmark), almost all 16 year olds have had sex...
Now, i know that they both (Tris and Tobias) are from Abnegation, and therefor arent used to physical affection, but they are also both divergent, and both in Dauntless...
But i agree, that it shouldn't be the main focus of book nr. 3...



I'm 100% with you on that! There are so few books without it now and I hope this series won't join the mass percentage of books that have it. Authors don't have to write sex scenes to show that the characters have a strong relationship. Their romance was believable, tension-filled, and romantic as it was and I hope it stays that way.



I agree... I have no need or want to read abbout their sexlive, but i think it would be weird, if they didn't have sex...
Nobody says she has to write it out, but maybe something like: "He closed the door, took me in his arms, and the night went by with a smile on my face"... Just more Tris-like...


Not all teenagers have sex, and authors shouldn't be promoting teenage sex. They have enough pressure as it is.

Why would it be weird. There are a huge number of teenagers who don't have sex, and it would be great if authors would show that teens can have a relationship without it.

It would be weird to me, since it is such a low number of teens, that don't have sex...
And to me (again, this is just my oponion from where i'm sitting), sex is a natural part of life...
In a such adrenaline filled relationship that Tris and Tobias have, it would look forced, if they didn't end up having sex...
There is no need why they shouldn't sleep together, once things calm down around them...


I think the third book's gonna end, just as they're about to do it...
I think that woould be brilliant...

AGREE!! Just what ive said before it doesnt have to be described just the thought of it that they did it would be okay =)))

I totally agree with Melissa!! It is NOT weird if there's no sex. It's only in recent generations that sex has become so accepted in society and found it's way into practically every book. But there are still a lot of teens who don't have sex. As weird as it may sound there are still people out there who believe in sex after marriage not sex at 16.

so whether they do it in the 3rd book or not, i really hope its after they've gained some respect for each other, not just attraction and childish affection. i love that their relationship is still at the innocent stage, and sex would just mess that up now

Plenty of christian people have sex before marriage... I don't know a single christian person, who haven't had sex before marriage...



First of all, i never said that i am christian, and that is because i am not one...
I think it is prettysad for you, that you believe there are a 'right' and a 'wrong' way to be christian...
God is in the heart...
Without turning this in to a religious discussion, i just want to say 2 things:
1) when the bible was created, it was the norm for people to be married before the age of 18, because the average lifespan was around 30 years old for the common people
2) The bible was created at the council of Nicea (don't know how to spell it in english), and this was over 300 years after the death of Jesus Christ...
So it is possible that the biblical christianity, isn't the one Jesus preached...
Sorry for coming in on the topic of religion, but i really don't like it, when people proclaim their own faith, to be the only right and true one...

It seems like everyone's opinion on whether or not Four and Tris should become involved has everything to do with our own morals and beliefs so obviously half of us are going to say sure and half are going to say nope no matter what points are made.

Ït makes me sad that the people that you know that represent themselves as Christians are having sex before marriage. I know many many teens and older who are saving themselves or have saved themselves for marriage. Maybe it is the part of the country in which you live or the people with whom you choose to associate, but I can tell you with absolute honesty that there are a huge number of Christians who save themselves for marriage.
Also, I know a lot of teenagers, including my own children, who are not having sex. I wish there were more books out there that left the garbage out and kept it clean.

But anyway we all have our own beliefs, so I think we should just accept it, respect it, and move on.

And to me (again, this is just my oponion from where i'm sitting), sex is a natural part of life...
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To cite a source to show this isn't true, according to the article linked below, only 47% of high school students in the united states as of 2011, have had sex. This is according to the CDC. Unfortunately, I fear this number will rise as more authors put sex into their books.
http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/yrbs/...


And to me (again, this is just my oponion from where i'm sitting), sex is a natural part of life..."
Whats the big deal with sex, it's just a natural thing. Thats what I don't like, they turn it into some kind of MASSIVE deal, THATS what puts pressure on teens, not the actual sex, but the idea that it's a big THING. I like books when the main character isn't a virgin, it's just easier that way, not as much angst. xxx Plus how is teen sex any different to adult sex?, as long as the two people are responsible then it doesn't matter.

Tris feels uncomfortable with that, but undoubtedly they will. It's in the characters, but who knows if the author would write it.


Tris and Tobias should have the "Do I want to bring a child into this world?" discussion if they're going to have sex. This is the first serious relationship that either of them have had, and they've only been together for a few months.
If anything they should wait until they're not having relationship problems, have birth control, and are ready for the possibility of children.

Wouldn't that be against Divergent's message? Tobias was upset about Tris trying to be Dauntless Tris rather than Divergent Tris in Insurgent. Tris herself decided that she had to be more than just another reckless Dauntless.



Ema, I’m not sure where you live, but I've lived all over the US, and Christianity is not "huge.” Furthermore, I've attended numerous public schools and NONE of them had any kind of religious elements or prayer. That's actually unconstitutional and not allowed.
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