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Oct 11, 2012 07:46AM
What I read yesterday, made me sick. I commeted on it yesterday. Sick people!!!
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Hi Rita... Sorry we upset you - I hope we haven't ruined your enjoyment of vampire fiction, with the emphasis on the fiction...
Not at all. Bring the fiction on, I love it. You didn't upset me, just what I read, it was just disgusting. Just hard to beleive that, some people are that sick. I may be crazy, & all of that, but mine is the funny kind of crazy. Nobody knows whats going to come out of my mouth,not even me, but it's to be funny. I love to laugh,so think everyone needs a good laugh sometimes.
Francis wrote: "One of the very first vampire stories I read was about a woman with porphyria with a craving for blood."It is fascinating, really. I imagine it was only a matter of time before someone actually considered it when writing in the vampire genre.
There's something I only just realized about my viewpoint and how it differs from others regarding vampires and blood: I've read comments about blood not being enough to sustain actual life. Yet the vampire is usually considered "dead." Writers in the genre perhaps conveniently skip over that issue.
Also there is the belief that drinking blood makes the vampire stronger and powerful. In my view, having to take blood in such a manner, being a slave to that particular need, is a weakness, not a strength for the vampire. Having said that, I see the vampire as viewing the taking of blood only partially as nourishment, the actual act being more of a sexual experience.
Sandrine, great minds think alike, because, I've always thought that way myself. Its not so much the blood, as it is sexuality. A vampire can get blood from any animal, but choose the oposite sex,male or female of human. Why, if not for the sex. Guess thats the way, they get off, if you know what i'm saying. But, what do I know?
I have to say I like my vampires to be living, not dead, and the drinking of blood is fundamental and a source of ecstasy. It does bother me a little that blood makes a poor food source.
I'm intrigued and baffled by the whole PNR vampire phenomenon (and perhaps it's romance generally). Women seem to read these books to indulge in the fantasy of being the focus of some alpha male's singular passion, while simultaneously acknowledging that in real life this would be awful.So it's not only acceptable but also desirable that the hero should be domineering and controlling, because it's just a fantasy, and the Happily Ever After doesn't have to be examined too closely, because otherwise there would be the almost inevitable, 'Hey, look, it's been fun and all, but... bye, honey!'
When I write about vampires, I identify with them, and feel their guilt, and grief, and their rage. I wouldn't want to be them. I certainly wouldn't want to be their lover.
I understand that cause, I would not want to be their lover either. Friend maybe, nothing more.
Rita wrote: "I understand that cause, I would not want to be their lover either. Friend maybe, nothing more."My book examines the price, the complications, the unexpected joys and sorrows of knowing the vampire as friend and possibly lover. It is neither all good nor all bad.
Francis wrote: "I'm intrigued and baffled by the whole PNR vampire phenomenon (and perhaps it's romance generally). Women seem to read these books to indulge in the fantasy of being the focus of some alpha male's ..."While there are certainly perks to be a vampire, I don't paint it as a desirable existence.
I could never understand that phenomenon either. When I was growing up and I'd see women, mostly in old movies, cower and shrink away from the monster/villain/bad guy etc. it always made me upset. I'd verbally urge them to get in there and fight! The males and females in my book are equally affected by the vampire; but the men aren't afraid of their feminine side and the women are ready to kick ass if it is called for. I can't abide stories where the women are not strong.
Francis wrote: "I have to say I like my vampires to be living, not dead, and the drinking of blood is fundamental and a source of ecstasy. It does bother me a little that blood makes a poor food source."I totally agree. My vampire has never been dead; he becomes angry when someone innocently asks if he is undead. "How could I be undead if I have never died! I am more alive than you are...I am permanently alive."
Sandrine wrote: "the women are ready to kick ass if it is called for. I can't abide stories where the women are not strong"I agree completely.
I think if twenty million people were arguing over the subtext in my (hypothetical) series of novels, I wouldn't feel particularly inspired to write. Writing an intermediate novel would be weird anyway.Why do people want Midnight Sun? And I'm genuinely curious.
Because, It's Edward's point of view, when he first met & spent time with Bella. Stephenie, gave us, only 2 chapters to read. I know someone, got it, & put it on the enternet to read, so she just stopped all wrting on it. Just finish what you start. She doesn't have to wright, on all of the books. At least, finish Midnight Sun. Oh, it was hard for Edward to resiste Bella's scent. I'm sure it would be hard for anyone, to wright, under these conditions. We just want to know,how this 1 book, turned out. Does this ans. help you to understand, our position, on the matter?
But don't you already know how it turns out? Isn't it just a different perspective on events described elsewhere?
Francis wrote: "I'm intrigued and baffled by the whole PNR vampire phenomenon (and perhaps it's romance generally). Women seem to read these books to indulge in the fantasy of being the focus of some alpha male's ..."I find it odd as well. That's why in my book, I have the vampire as the villain. I also have some explanation why my vampires aren't the lovey-dovey type because the way I see it, any creature of the night will live separately from humans, so they would detach from humans and eventually see them only as something to get nourishment from.
Rita wrote: "Woman, always need, to be strong."I agree to a point. On one hand, I am disturbed by so many female characters are weak-minded and it's very popular these days.
But I also believe there are times when we are not always strong and have moments of insecurity. My MC is 22 years old, and when my friends and I were that age, we had our strong and weak moments. I simply prefer being realistic with my characters, even if they are dealing with unreal situations like vampires :-) I also think it is more exciting for characters to grow to be more strong and confident as the story or series progresses.
I was talking about real live women. Characters in a book is something else. They can be whatever the author wants them to be.The reason I think women should be strong, is really for myself. I've learned the hard way, how to be strong.I had to be, for my husband, when he had a cancer, with no cure, except removal. Six yrs., & 8 major surgeries, he lost his battle,but I had to stay. I've learned, to live life on its terms. So wright the way you want, & thats ok.
Rita wrote: "I was talking about real live women. Characters in a book is something else. They can be whatever the author wants them to be.The reason I think women should be strong, is really for myself. I've l..."Oh OK, I thought you meant book characters :-)
Well, they can be strong, or weak, but the weak, most often lose, dot you think? Maybe I'm wrong, so can you explaine?
Rita wrote: "Well, they can be strong, or weak, but the weak, most often lose, dot you think? Maybe I'm wrong, so can you explaine?"I wouldn't like weak throughout an entire book or series, unless it plays into the plot for good reason. Some books are about the story rather than the character. In the case of character oriented books, I actually prefer the growing-to-be-strong character than the already strong type. It can make for an exciting story :-)
I think it can too. I wasnt tring to make myself, sound like a martar, or anything like that, earlier, just the fact, that it made me strong. I'm a very tiny woman, but big inside. I wish I had speel ck. right now. If your woman in your books start out,being just normal, thats ok. Bella wasnt strong, in Twilight, but watched her character grow,in the books,& movies,& look how that turned out. It was great. Hope the last movie, lives up to all the hype, or their will be some very disapointed people. I'm not,by any means, an author, & couldnt, wright myself, out of a paper bag. HA! HA!
Oh! I have a great big voice as well, & used it for singing, a long time ago. Still can sing some,but my voice is so deep now.By only, hearing me talk, people think I'm at least 6 ft. tall, & weigh at least 300 lbs. I just say whats on my mind,if ask, & if nobody likes it,i'm sorry. If a person doesn't want to hear the truth, then don't ask me.
Francis, it does end the same way, but all we really know is Bella's point of view. Since, Stephenie started wrighting it,& gave us the 2 chapters,to read on line, she needs to finish Edward's emotions. Personaly, I beleive she has just let it lay,until & if we forget it. Thats not how I was taught. If you start something, you finish it. It doesnt matter if you win, what matters is you finish it. IT, can be anything, from football, chearleading, to any thing,a person starts. FINISH WHAT YOU START!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps, but when the beginning has been stolen and released in early draft form, she must feel an incredible sense of betrayal when she thinks about writing it. It's difficult to write romance when all you feel is anger.
I'm sure she feels terrible about this, but it was back in 2007 or 08,maybe even before then. She should be over it by now. Its all just not fair, for her or us. Why pay for something we didnt do,or her either? Oh, grap, nobody ever said, life would be fair. I'll live without it, but would be nice. I've got all I can handle now to read, so,guess I will have to just,live without Midnight!! Have a great day ok?
Megan wrote: "Francis wrote: "I'm intrigued and baffled by the whole PNR vampire phenomenon (and perhaps it's romance generally). Women seem to read these books to indulge in the fantasy of being the focus of so..."No matter how separately they live from humans, humans still dominate the world. However they may view humans, in most fiction anyway, they still can't get away from them.
Francis wrote: "Perhaps, but when the beginning has been stolen and released in early draft form, she must feel an incredible sense of betrayal when she thinks about writing it. It's difficult to write romance whe..."I wonder if she didn't leak that "story" herself. I remember going to her website and was a little horrified that it was full of spoilers--no alerts; I thought she must be pretty arrogant to think everyone who visits that site has already read the whole series ; or stupid, for giving all of the story away when anyone visits the website. Luckily--it was enough information to keep me from reading any more. I've been following posts on Are people being too hard on Twilight, and though there is a balance of comments, a lot of negative stuff. It makes me annoyed when she apparently said: it's all fantasy, so I don't have to do any actual research to make it factual. Yeah? Don't you want to make the story believable, even if it is set in an alternate universe with aliens? A doctor who is a vampire? Are you kidding me? Totally unbelievabe. As one of my charaters says in my book: (paraphrased) I'm willing to suspend disbelief, briefly, but I am not going to beat disbelief unconscious just so (you) have some flimsy nail on which to hang your story.
Francis wrote: "Perhaps, but when the beginning has been stolen and released in early draft form, she must feel an incredible sense of betrayal when she thinks about writing it. It's difficult to write romance whe..."I think she might write and release that story yet; maybe because she will want to untarnish Edward's image, in some eyes, as stalker, controlling and abusive love interest, sort of a "that's not the image I wanted at all." Although she has said she doesn't care what message she sent out. Or--it would be a way to squeeze another dime out of this whole thing.
I'm willing to suspend disbelief, briefly, but I am not going to beat disbelief unconscious just so (you) have some flimsy nail on which to hang your story.
I love that.
I don't know whether she leaked it herself, but that would be a pretty messed up way of killing the series. Maybe she likes all the extra attention she gets from everyone fighting over the meaning of Twilight and whether Midnight Sun will ever get finished...
Pure fantasy can get away with less research because it relies on creativity instead. However, setting a novel in the real world... I did a lot of research for S&tM, and it was tremendous fun. I learned so much.
I'm tired of beating a dead horse, on Edwards point of view, & don't think, Stephenie, will ever go back, to finish it. Why let it upset me, anymore? She does wright a, good noval, & will most likely read it when a new 1 comes out. As far as Midnight Sun, I'm over it, after all, life does go on. There are so many author out there, for me to read. Have a great day, all.
Rita - I'm sorry it's upset you like this. You never know, she might write it eventually, but I don't think it will be because people keep asking for it.Now, don't waste time social networking! Read! Read like the wind!
Thats just what I'm doing. Thiers more than 1 author out to read, & I have plenty, on bookshelves, to read.I'll live without, Midnight Sun, & so will everyone else. If, later down the line, Stephenie, deciedes to go back to finish it, then maybe I'll read it. For now, I'll just keep on, with what I already have.
Thier are, several author's,here with novals out, & would like to finish,with the ones I already have,so I can read, from all of you guys. Thier is a, Mason B. with, 1 out, called, somethin & The Red Thunder Clan. Then, Amy May & her book, then thiers you & Sandriene.The new,VPD,book comes out in just a few days. I'm certainly, not lacking in the book dept.
I've never heard of this 1. Is it about, Vampires?
Yes. I'm enjoying the language - it's very poetic.
I was reading a review on goodreads about Peeps. It said something like: It's about vampires, like Twilight, but completely different. Which struck me as quite bizarre. Since when were the vampires in Twilight considered any kind of benchmark?
They were not normal vampires, I'll give you that 1. What do you think of the ,Vampires, in the, VPD, series,of books, Or have you read any, of LJ Smith?
I haven't read Vampire Diaries, but did watch the TV series for a while and it wasn't bad. I don't like the way the series was taken away from her.
Francis wrote: "I was reading a review on goodreads about Peeps. It said something like: It's about vampires, like Twilight, but completely different. Which struck me as quite bizarre. Since when were the vampires..."LOL! Or have you seen this: "If you loved Twilight, you'll love this book!" Thanks for the warning.
I am so far behind in doing any reading. I can't read about vampires while I'm writing about them. I just finished Toni Morrison's A Mercy, just because I found it laying around at work.Many years ago I started collecting any vampire book that came out...can you imagine if I had tried to keep up? I would love to see an actual list.
I am going to an Undead Authors conference, well it's the Anne Rice Ball acually, in New Orleans, and of all the authors there I only know of 4: Elaine Bergstrom; Kalila Smith; Sherilyn Kenyon; Cj Ellisson.
And I haven't even read much of theirs. I just ordered Nancy Kilpatrick's vampire book, not even the new one. I tell myself when my book is completed, then I will read vampire stuff again.
I bet it is hard,to read & wright at the same time. Could get them all mixed up, & dont think thats what you want to do either. It might be funny though. Wonder how many of those you could sell? You might have a huge payday! What do you think. Ha! Ha! Ha!
I can't remember reading any fiction while I was reading S&tM. It's possible... Actually, I think I must have been reading Children of the Night (a collection of historical vampire stories) during some of it.I read tonnes of non-fiction, however. I was getting so many books out of the library, or free/cheap e-Books off Amazon, to help with research.
Undead Authors... That's a scary thought... Two centuries later... 'You may be.dead, Ms Meyer, but you still haven't finished Midnight Sun.'
Oh, wow! S&tM has got its first review, on Amazon.com:Love the characters so far; just the right balance of things that I love to read in a vampire novel
I'm so thrilled to hear that! Keep going, keep going...
can't wait to see how it ends
No!!! You mean you haven't reached the bit that you will hate so much you will delete those four beautiful stars?
My Will no one ever read my books? angst has suddenly been replaced by a Please don't hate me, my one and only dear sweet reviewer! angst...
Just watched Dark Shadows. Very entertaining. Always good to such incredible talent brought together. (Plus I've always wondered what Helena Bonham Carter would look like as a vampire. I love this line: Every year I get half as pretty and twice as drunk.)It's strange how films like this work. There are so many ideas woven into it, bizarre magical and supernatural concepts, but the viewer follows and accepts these easily because we're so used to them. The burden of the film makers is to wrap the ideas up in a package of music and imagery that creates an emotional focus to what would otherwise be absurd.
Francis wrote: "Just watched Dark Shadows. Very entertaining. Always good to such incredible talent brought together. (Plus I've always wondered what Helena Bonham Carter would look like as a vampire. I love this ..."I pretty much like any collaboratin between JD, TB and HBC. Except this one. I guess because I was a fan of the original series, once I was able to see episodes on A&E channel; Barnabas is still one of my favorite vampires. Perfect. So, I guess the film would have been more enjoyable if I didn't have the original to compare with. I really would have liked to see a serious take on the original. Still, it had some good moments. Loved Sweeney Todd.
I haven't seen the original series, and I haven't finished Sweeney Todd - really need to do that one day.
When I was much younger,& watched the saops, Dark Showdows was my favorite. I think, the movie is more of a comedy, where, the soap, was more on the serious,side. A little scary, at times. I do want to see this movie, because I think it will be so funny, & Johnny Depp, is so good at playing,the funny villon.
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