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Robert Wright (rhwright) | 30 comments As a really new librarian, I've been keeping my edits pretty simple and directly related to books I have in my hand. But dealing with getting this one onto my shelf and info corrected is presenting some problems.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/64...
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49...

They all seem to be for the edition I have in hand, but there are discrepancies for each one. Hope you folks can guide me through this, including merging them if they are the same. (I know someone more experienced could just make that call and do it, but I'd really like to learn more about how.)

So, various details and questions:

1) This is pre-common ISBN standard, so there is no ISBN or SBN on the book. Just a publisher's book number, F403. Common practice I've seen so far is to list this as an "edition" number, but one of these uses it as an ISBN. Also, the one that does use it how I normally would doesn't capitalize the "F". Does that matter? Or am I just picky?

2) On ISBNs: how does one determine one if it's not on the book. I know some books that use older 9-digit SBNs can be converted just by including the proper 0- or 1- prefix (for English language). But beyond that, I'm lost. Also a little confused by different ISBNs for what appear to be the same pre-ISBN edition, other than one might be a 2nd printing, but that shouldn't change ISBN.

3) Publisher. We have Ace Books and Ace Books (NYC). Which is it? The latter seems a holdover from someone used to academic (MLA?) citations. My practice is to go with exactly how it is printed in the book itself.

4) URL on the one doesn't seem to fit the guidelines in the manual. Should it be removed?

5) This is an expanded novel of the novella that won the Nebula in 1965. So should it have it listed in the awards sections, as this is not the version that won?


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Vicky (librovert) | 2459 comments I'm not sure on 1 and 2, but I'll answer the rest of them and hopefully someone with more ISBN knowledge will respond for those questions. ;)

3) The convention is to use the most specific imprint that is on the book as it's written. I don't think the (NYC) is necessary.

4) I would remove the URL. An official URL is one that is directly related to the book (an author/author's foundation page, publisher page, etc).

5) I would not have the award on the novel if the novella won. I don't know enough about this work to know, but I don't see any other works by the same name on his profile - is it possible the novella and novel were combined?


Robert Wright (rhwright) | 30 comments 5) More of the revised & expanded variety. Pretty common practice in SF/F. But, to my point, though this work is based on it, it is not the same work that won the award. (That was a novella called "He Who Shapes".)


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Vicky (librovert) | 2459 comments 5) I didn't realize it was under another name! My instinct would be to add the award the "He Who Shapes" and remove it from the novel. However, I just noticed that the first cover of The Dream Master says "Winner of the Nebula Award." There's not a solid policy on it (I don't think) but I, personally, would probably leave it as in for this case.


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vicki_girl | 2765 comments First, when working with vintage SF paperbacks, the following database is invaluable:

www.isfdb.org

Here is the listing for The Dream Master:

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cg...

As you can see there is only one listing for F-403, with no ISBN. Therefore, your third link is the correct one for your edition.

The other two editions with ISBNS, are different editions and need their data updated. ISBN 0441167055 has the following cover:

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1...

ISBN 0441167012 is the same as Ace #16701. This edition use the same cover art, but the number printed on the top left corner should be 16701. See below:

http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/4/40...

Both of these covers should be updated to the correct ones.

To answer your Questions:

1) The books with ISBNs should have the F403 removed from the edition field as that number doesn't go with those editions. The edition using F403 as the ISBN should have it removed from the ISBN fieled and moved to the Edition field, and typed in as F-403, as that is how it appears on the book.

2) For pre-isbn books, you might be able to find a clue by looking at the "book number", like ACE F-403. These numbers are often incorporated into the ISBN assigned later. For example, as I stated above, ISBN 0441167012 is the same as Ace #16701. If there are no clues, see if there is an edition avialable that matches yours. If neither of these appear to be available simple add it as a new edition, with as much info as you can.

3) NYC indicates New York City. Sometimes on the title page the publisher is listed as "Random House, New York" for example. The GR standard is to leave off the location of the publisher. Therefore Ace (NYC) should be listed as simply Ace or Ace Books.

4) What Vicky said.

5) Given that the award is listed on the cover, I am not sure whether to leave it or not. If pressed, I would support removing the award. The novella, He Who Shapes was never published separately, and thus there is not even any combined editions. If the novella was published separately, and combined with the expanded version, I would leave the award. There are short stories that win awards that get published in anthologies, but we don't list the anthology as receiving the award, regardless of the advertising on the cover. (Not even ones like these.)


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vicki_girl | 2765 comments SPECIAL NOTE:

Please use extreme caution updating covers. Many times books are printed with new covers, but use the same ISBN. In those cases, an Alternate Cover Edition should be created. The covers should only be updated if the particular edition was never printed with the cover shown. For SF books, isfdb.org is a great resource for confirming what covers have been available for a given edition/ISBN. However, it is not infallible so proceed with caution. Also, always feel free to post here in the librarians group if you're not sure.


Robert Wright (rhwright) | 30 comments The Librarian Manual is unclear on this about publisher names: if the publisher name is suffixed by a corporate structure type modifier (e.g. Inc.) should that be included as part of the name? In practice, it generally seems to be dropped.


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vicki_girl | 2765 comments I put the publisher's name as it appears on the title page (minus geographic info).


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Farees Ahmed | 2 comments Hi, Can you please add ISBN 10(9780434020) to the book http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...


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vicki_girl | 2765 comments The book you linked to had an incorrect ISBN-13. I have merged it with the edition with the correct ISBN-13:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...

This edition already has the correct ISBN-10.


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Farees Ahmed | 2 comments Thanks for your quick support !



vicki_girl wrote: "The book you linked to had an incorrect ISBN-13. I have merged it with the edition with the correct ISBN-13:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13...

This edition already h..."



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