Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
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I've been thinking about Sirius' quote...
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Feven wrote: "Wow! I never dug deep into that quote! Very in depth!But you should include Dumbledore as an in-between. Or at least I think he should be described that. If he was in love with Grindewald. (Which..."
Oh, you're right about Dumbledore as an in-between, didn't think of that one! Very true. Like Voldemort, he was ambitious but power-hungry. Uh oh. Here comes my keyboard channeling my rambling.
He and Voldemort both grew up with practically (or literally) unpresent parents. They both craved power and didn't care who they hurt to get their way. However, Dumbledore tried to revise his ways after the Ariana incident, whereas Voldemort kept going down the highway of channeling his dark side. It makes me wonder, did Voldemort even have the light inside him that Sirius spoke of? Maybe Voldemort's the exception...
End rambling. xD
Wait, Sirius didn't betray his friends...did he?
I love this quote, as well. Everyone has moments in their lives when we embrace that dark side, though usually to our detriment. I think it is much harder to get out of the habit of being bad than it is to get out of the habit of being good.We are all responsible for choosing which side we want to show and give to other people.
Dumbledore was a character that I have a love/hate relationship with. I love how welcome and secure he helps Harry to feel, but I really despise his manipulations. He absolutely knew every cause and effect that every one of his actions would bring about in Harry's life during DH1&2 and orchestrated it perfectly. As Snape says, You protected him so he can die at the proper moment?
As for Voldemort, yes, there is always light in everyone. The problem is that when you spend so much time ignoring it, you will eventually stop seeing it altogether.
The only thing Sirius did was to erroneously trust Pettigrew with the secret of the Potter's home. Pettigrew gave that secret away. Sirius didn't know Wormtail was truly a worm.
Some other in-betweens: Fudge, Scrimgeour, Mundungus, Seamus' mum, Xeno Lovegood, and Percy Weasley.
Er...When did Sirius say that? 'Cause I forgot.
it's in the OOTP movie. not sure it was actually in the book
HMM I like that.
Jeni wrote: "I love this quote, as well. Everyone has moments in their lives when we embrace that dark side, though usually to our detriment. I think it is much harder to get out of the habit of being bad than..."Good point about "As for Voldemort, yes, there is always light in everyone. The problem is that when you spend so much time ignoring it, you will eventually stop seeing it altogether." Also think Percy is a definite in-between, he and Dumbledore could define the in-betweens ;)
Brooke wrote: "Er...When did Sirius say that? 'Cause I forgot."I'm not sure, either. Maybe it's the movie, like Barbara said, but it could also be in the book when Sirius points out that the world isn't just split into good people and Death Eaters.
I'll have to look again when I get my stuff unpacked, but I thought that line happened in the room with the Black Family Tree in it in the book and in the train station in the movie.Totally expecting to be wrong on that, though.
I agree that it's an absolutely fantastic quote. :)
I decided to go on a quote-depiction-hunting search on Google. Here's what I came up with--
and Hagrid? I can think of things that are good about him (kind, knows a lot about different animals) but what's 'dark' in Hagrid?
He's rash, secretive, rule-breaking and doesn't listen to sense...but Hagrid is a good person, and that's why we love him so much! :)
That is one of my favorite comments. It reflects on so many of the characters in the Harry Potter series.
Brooke wrote: "Er...When did Sirius say that? 'Cause I forgot."It was in the movie. I thought there were better quotes in the book though.
I didn't think much of that quote it was kinda cliche. I've heard varieties of the same quote said many times before.
So, the quote says that people are actually not black and white stereotypes? What an astounding revelation.
Goran wrote: "So, the quote says that people are actually not black and white stereotypes? What an astounding revelation."
Partially, but it also touches on the topic of good vs. evil, and I applied that principle to the characters of Harry Potter.
Also, back to the Draco/Harry similarities, I found a gif set that really exemplifies the idea that your environment growing up shapes your identity and personality more than you might think. At least with Draco and his father.
Like father like son.And Sirius was right. Some people have more dark than light, though. Jodi Arias, anyone?
Wow. Just another example of how Rowling is so awesome: giving characters more than a 'fatal flaw'. Making them good with a touch of evil or evil that could have been good.
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I think this couldn't be more true.
The Death Eaters and the heroes of Harry Potter could have gone either way.
Bellatrix is passionate but cruel. Voldemort is ambitious but power-crazy. Lucius and Narcissa love their son but were too pro-Pureblood. Peter was hardworking but too selfish.
On the flip side, Harry is brave but reckless. Ron is a good friend but easily jealous. Hermione is intellectually gifted but superior.
And then there are the in-betweens. Snape is loyal but a traitor (an oxymoron, but still). Draco is talented but arrogant. Feven mentioned Dumbledore as another in-between. He's ambitious but power-hungry, much like Voldemort. See one of my newer comments here for a spiel on that. Also, Jeni mentioned some other in-betweens. Here are my takes on Jeni's additions to the list: Fudge tries hard to solve problems, but he turns a blind eye to the real problems. Scrimgeour is loyal at the end of the day, but cares too much for public appearances. Mundungus is resourceful but untrustworthy. Seamus' mum is loyal in a patriotic sense, but believes the worst in people, much like other students at Hogwarts in OotP. Xeno Lovegood is loving and creative but okay with hurting others to get what he wants. Percy Weasley is loyal, but sometimes to the wrong people.
Another thing I noticed after looking closely at my examples: Harry and Draco seem like the same person, but from one family that chose to action the light side and one who chose to action the dark side. They both come from well-off wizarding parents who loved them very, very much and sacrificed, or came close to sacrificing, their lives for their sons. They're both Quidditch players. However, they're in opposite Houses; the so-called "good" house and the so-called "bad" house. They're both adamant about their opinions and defensive/protective about their families.
This leads me to think that Draco and Harry, while coming from the same place, were much the same person, just acted on either the light or dark sides apiece of their potential. And eventually Draco comes 'round, but the theory still remains.
Actually, Draco and Hermione seem to be similar too, looking back at my trait opposites again. Intelligent but arrogant. Huh.
What do you think about my observations on the quote? Do you have any observations to add? Input would be wonderful :)