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The Lone Ranger and Tonto Fistfight in Heaven
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Isolation and Tradition
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People hear they storys cuz there not on there tradition,therefor they don't believe them. People think its just they imagination or a myth
1.That their reallity is their traditions. That they need to be on a drug so it can be true because their sober thoughts are not completely their emotions till they are on tradition.2.That this drum was passed on by big mom to Thomas and she told him just incase. Him having that drum given by big mom is a religion because she was like the god for the Indians.
Thomas' visions are tradition. From the way that the world perceived Indians they basically made them in to mythologies. The drug is tradition and the other two don't want to hear Thomas' stories because they are afraid of the truth.
Thomas tells stories of reality that aren't believed, because indians replace drugs for the tradition that once withstood with in the tribe, or reservation. Indians are scared to face the true so they hide behind the emotions and free them selfs on drugs which makes the tradition come back, and visions of how things could be or are remembered as. "The truth will set you free" I feel that victor believes that religion was a thing that stood around when tradition was around and Indians took pride in what they stood for, religion wasnt what it once had been. Victor felt the need of tradition to over come the emptiness in his heart, and fight the sadness his father had left him with, tradition was something that ment more then what people perceived it to be. Thomas has visions of tradition and how Indians pictured them selfs entering a after life or rising as a native god, or form or goddess. Thomas didn't imagine the same he was living in the world his father made others view him as and that left victor with the impression that things wouldn't change.
Question1:In reality the people on the reservation are scared of the truth. They can't face the fact that they are running from their emotions of how they percive themselves. Other people perceive the indians on the reservation as drunks, druggies, and just bad people. When The Indians of the reservation take the drug tradition then they listen to Thomas builds-the-fire. And no longer consider themselves apart of a stereotype.They also view their world differently from a more spiritual point of view.Question2:Victors relationship with religion isnt very strong.he seems to be scared of tradition that's why he thew away his new drug when he saw his grandma walking across the river.then big mom comes along hands him a drum to believe in.She told him tap the drum and she will come, she is a spiritual leader and has good Medicean and can come to victor in a time of need and give him medicine. He is a little skeptical scince big mom has been dead.And is scared to know if the thing he believes in the most is just a fake. His relationship with religion is weak.He needs to believe in something because he is lost with out his father.
Because they don't believe him because he isnt tradition any more they are just reservation indians. And they will listen to him when he's on drugs
1.The Indians believe that they face their reality into traditions as in the story they are in drug in tradition so they make it true.
Many people don't wanna hear the way Indians live or act because in everyone's own Head they have there own ideas of what Indians are like. I feel that the Indians are scared to admit the truth of how people preceve them unless it is true. When Thomas build the fire sees the vision and says "I can see you. God your beautiful you've got braids and your stealing a horse. Wait no its not a horse it's a cow. Your riding by the moonlight. I feel the comment victor made is because everything that he's saying doesn't mean anything, and they may feel like if he believes it they will too, which is something that they do not want to do because they are scared people will always think that they are all crazy so they all act "normal". i dont feel that he shows a threat on the reservation i feel that he speaks his mind and what his opinion is. my way of thinking about him is that he is the only indian on the reservation that feels its important to talk about peoples opinions on indians because wheather they wanna believe what people think or not they are always going to be viewd as crazy drunks and people who are on drugs.
2. Victor one religion ment he only has his tradition on drugs that one could be his religion,Thomas knew the visions he had he can really tell and he can sense it victors father will rise like a salmon its like a person that will come out like a soul and different vision between victors cleaning in the attic is he feels the desire to clean his attic.
(1)Because they don't believe him because he isnt tradition any more they are just reservation indians. And they will listen to him when he's on drugs because he's not being a slave Indian. There Heiding the pain with drugs (2)
It is not a pager. It is a drum and she gave it to him just in case she died and he could "call her" I feel that because his dad died he needs tradition to remember his dad or maybe not to. But as indians tradition is passed down through family so maybe he needs tradition to remember.
1. I think that the Indians on the reservation do know that people think of them one way but they do not want to accept in. And by Thomas telling his stories they are afraid of what he has to say and the fact that he says it over and over. Thomas's visions are true and repetitive but I think that is only because he needs to in order to get in touch with the reality of things. And that is a very big threat to the Indians because they want to ignore it in their lives. Thomas is not really a popular person on the reservation. He is kind of out casted.2. I think that victor has a sense of religion but because of how he grew up he did not know what it is. I think when his father dies he wanted to fowllow the tradition because he did not want his father to die alone and his father was big on tradition. I think the visions mean that they had two diffrent prespectives on who he was and what kind of man he is.
1. listen to his storys and have hared them hunderads of time so that why they dont like to listen to him. He's one of those Poeple that can talk for days on end.2. He was hoping that his dad would come and talk to him and led him in the right dirtection cuz he's confused and doesn't know what to do.
1. People see the natives as a bunch of people that are always drunk and high and they feel that they need drugs to live there tradition. Thomas wants to say the truth that the way the natives are living the tradition isn't the right way,he feels that the tradition is supposed to be spiritual and his friends feel that the way they are living is right even though all it is about is drugs and partying.2. Victors feel for religion was that it's all about drugs and partying, his relationship with religion is just partying and doesn't even think about how it is supposed to be. When victors father dies he still doesn't see what religion and tradition is about but Thomas does. Thomas imagines victors dad raising like a salmon but victor see's him cleaning the attic, this shows that victor doesn't understand the real meaning of tradition and religion really means but Thomas does.
I think natives on the rezervation lose interest in tradition and turn to drugs the reason they don't like Thomas's story because they are the truth and I see it that Thomas wants to change but wants to be looked at as different with the liltle friends he has says he is already an outcast I think these natives need to embrace the truth and change it
1: The other characters don't want to hear the stories Thomas has to tell because most of them are true. The way he tells them feels all to realistic to them. Because when he is on the drug their traditions come alive. That's probably why so many people are so stereotypical about Natives. Because it seems like most of their stories have something to do with them hallucinating and visioning things, even if in the story it depicts that they are just highly spiritual. I don't think that stereotyping them as druggies is rite, they just have very specific tradition.2: The drum that Big Ma gave Victor is not necessarily a "pager" but a security blanket. He doesn't really know ifhe plays the drum that she will actually show up. But he trusts that she will. His tradition is beliving in something. Having faith. Victor needs the drum to believe that someone will be there for him if he needs them since he no longer has his dad.
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Chico, you need to expand your ideas. Explain to the reader what you mean. use the text to support your assertions.
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Augusto. Clarify your ideas. You're only scratching the surface. You have to provide details to support your claims.
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William, this is a good idea, but you need to expand the content. using the text, how exactly can you prove this?
2: victor having the drum is like his only religion. The only thing he has faith in the most.Because big mom is the most important person to the indians.
Victor demonstrates a great deal of skeptical faith in that he knows Big Ma "has good medicine" and that by beating his drum he could "fill the whole world" with his religion. However, he lacks confidence because he doubts she will even show up. This lack of confidence makes Victor a tragic hero because he cannot truly fill his destiny.
I agree that victor was not very assertive in what he believes because he says that "the world" will know If he played it a little,but he was also assertive in a way because if that was his only religion, that means that no one has been above Big Ma in his mind and that he has not been influenced by anyone else, because if he feels that strongly in calling Thomas's visions " that s****" then what other things are going to influence him.
like it says on the book " i guess you could call it my only religion i have, one drum that can fit in my hand, but i think if i played it a little, it might fill up the whole world.
1 ) the people Thomas hangs out wit are scared that his story's will change things on the reservation they don't wanna hear it because its true. he can change him and his friends future with the "only religion he has"2)I don't see the drum as a security blanket more as a symbol of hope that he can change people's opinion on natives.it also show has a large amount of faith when big ma gave him the drum he calls it "the only religion he has"
2. Victors relationship with tradition (and Thomas) is complex. After he calls Thomas’s vision “that shit,” Thomas walks away from hi—for several years, as it turns out. Big Ma, the spiritual leader of the Spokanes, gives Victor a drum—a pager, she jokes. Victor calls it the “Only religion I have.” What is Victor’s relationship with religion and tradition? Why does he have a sudden need for tradition when his father dies? When they discuss tossing the ashes of Voctor’s father into the Spokane Falls, Thomas imagines him rising like a salmon and Victor imagines him cleaning the attic. What do these different visions reflect about them.