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Dean, Jess or Logan?
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Jul 28, 2008 04:07AM

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I say Jess. Dean just did not fit in her life very well and it really bugged my the way he cheated on his wife with Rory! That act alone dropped both he and Rory in my book by quite a bit. I don't care that his marriage was shaky or that he and Rory deeply cared for each other. It was just plain WRONG!!!! Anyway, even though Logan did seem to love her and he did grow up I don't think Rory would ever have been completely comfortable in his world. Jess really grew up and pulled things together. I think they could have been happy together.

Maybe I liked Dean so much because he's so frickin' adorable?
I hate that he married Lindsey. They were way too young, and he knew he wasn't over Rory.
Last night I saw the episode where Jess leaves town without telling Rory. He hadn't been calling her and didn't want to talk and groped her at the party and then he's leaving--on the bus and hiding his bag. He's a coward and a jerk. Everytime I think "oh yeah, I like bad boys too" and yeah, he turns his life around. But he's a Jerk with a capital J.
Ugh. "Misunderstood." So like he can be a jerk because no one gets him? I'm with Meredith on this one. It really isn't all about him! And the "grown-up" him wasn't all that much better... I mean even then he was giving ultimatums and demands. Sheesh. So he wrote a book. Whoopee. That doesn't make him Rory-worthy!
Um... maybe this relates a little to much to all the men I seem to end up dating. LOL Jerks, I say. When do I get to go out with a GOOD guy??


but Rory is supposed to be a role model, but i think everyone makes a mistake, and cheating on a spouse or boyfriend can be one of those mistakes.
it is important for young girls that there are people that mistakes, and they don't have to be perfect all the time, that normal people do stupid things for stupid reasons.
i can admit that the whole relationship ending was dumb, i mean, girls get emotionally attatched and even small relationships that don't result in sex can be traumatic.
so bad job writers! you didn't teach a good lesson!
people get burned when they cheat!
and it didn't happen!
Hmm, I just watched the episode where Dean ends up all drunk at Luke's and says that Rory is perfect and that he still loves her. He then asks all sad "Why doesn't she love me?"
I never thought he was the perfect boyfriend for Rory, he cared about her and obviously really loved her, I did not like the way she left him at all and I hated even more how they were going out again. But still, I really pitied him in that episode. He must have been so awfully broken-hearted.
Actually, I did not like any of the guys Rory was going out with. When Jess first appeared, I did not like him at all. On rewatching the Jess seasons, I started liking him personally, but I never thought that he and Rory were a good match. He would have been good as just a friend, but he was just to irresponsible a a boyfriend. I mean, he ran away about 2 or 3 times when they were going out without telling her where he went or why.
Logan was just as bad as Jess. He was irresponsible as well and arrogant and just too much the rich kid in addition.
Rory should have someone who cares as much about her as Dean did, who is as independent, individualist and bookish as Jess is and as funny as Logan.
I never thought he was the perfect boyfriend for Rory, he cared about her and obviously really loved her, I did not like the way she left him at all and I hated even more how they were going out again. But still, I really pitied him in that episode. He must have been so awfully broken-hearted.
Actually, I did not like any of the guys Rory was going out with. When Jess first appeared, I did not like him at all. On rewatching the Jess seasons, I started liking him personally, but I never thought that he and Rory were a good match. He would have been good as just a friend, but he was just to irresponsible a a boyfriend. I mean, he ran away about 2 or 3 times when they were going out without telling her where he went or why.
Logan was just as bad as Jess. He was irresponsible as well and arrogant and just too much the rich kid in addition.
Rory should have someone who cares as much about her as Dean did, who is as independent, individualist and bookish as Jess is and as funny as Logan.

As for Jess, I'm biased because I'm currently finishing re-watching season 2 and so all I've got to see of him is the really annoying stuff. Yes, he had good qualities, but in a way that makes me even more annoyed with him. But, since I see he comes back in later seasons I'll withhold further judgment until I see those.
I did like Marty A LOT and thought he was kind of the older more matchable version of Dean and was sorry that never went anywhere.
I couldn't stand Logan at first, and his relapses really bothered me, but I did feel he was making serious progress towards the end and had to the potential to be really good. I'm surprised Rory ever would have gone with a guy like him to begin with though.... But, I did end up liking him a lot.
Wow - how's that for all over the map lol!:D


As to Rory and Dean (while married) - I thought that was poor form on Rory's part (and Dean's as well)
As to Logan and Rory - bad form on Logan's part, but given the situation and his mindset, not as bad as Dean cheating on his wife with Rory.

No, honestly- I´m sure Rory needed all of them to become wo she is now! I´m no therapist or anything alike but there would surely be lacks in her great character if she hadn´t the experiences with all three of them.
So I´m in Team-DEANJESSLOGAN!
Actually, I recently thought about Rory's development because there have been phases during the show when I just could not stand her. Although I preferred her to Lorelei when I liked her, I "steadily" liked Lorelei throughout the show.
The early 15 years old Rory definitely was my favorite. She was just very geeky, that also showed in her clothing style.
They changed that aspect of her character pretty soon, though. Don't get me wrong, I think her always very well dressed - but in the early episodes she was once wearing an oversized wool pullover and had a really baggy-looking leather backpack for school and at another time, it was black shorts, I think, with army boots.
Also, she behaved pretty bitchy in some later episodes, which is something that seemed totally out of character. So to me, it looked like the authors sometimes had let those little "slips" happening for the story's sake (although I personally was rather irritated by that, no matter how well it fit the plot).
Aww, sorry, that's completely off topic now. If any of you are irritated by my post then I'll delete it : )
The early 15 years old Rory definitely was my favorite. She was just very geeky, that also showed in her clothing style.
They changed that aspect of her character pretty soon, though. Don't get me wrong, I think her always very well dressed - but in the early episodes she was once wearing an oversized wool pullover and had a really baggy-looking leather backpack for school and at another time, it was black shorts, I think, with army boots.
Also, she behaved pretty bitchy in some later episodes, which is something that seemed totally out of character. So to me, it looked like the authors sometimes had let those little "slips" happening for the story's sake (although I personally was rather irritated by that, no matter how well it fit the plot).
Aww, sorry, that's completely off topic now. If any of you are irritated by my post then I'll delete it : )

SPOILERS
Dean was the perfect "first boyfriend" for Rory. Some complain that he was not intelligent enough for Rory, but I think that is unfair; we are not all intellectuals but he had many other great qualities. He was so sweet, gentlemanly, genuinely interested in Rory and her "brains" and encouraging--and he did TRY to relate, I mean, come on, he tried to read "Anna Kerenina" for her! And he understood her and Lorelai's awesome relationship and never tried to change the mother/daughter closeness; he wasn't jealous. I absolutely HEART Dean early on. (As to some of his "immature" behavior like with the silly reaction to the "I love you" confession--well, that is because he is sixteen and feelings get hurt and some adults don't handle it that well even though they are "grown up"--yeah, it was stupid but I think that's the point; Rory wasn't so great with it, either) LATER the writers TOTALLY MESSED DEAN UP (getting married so early, then CHEATING on his wife with Rory!? WHAT!?!?! (And what was Rory thinking!?!)) and I was so miffed I almost quit watching. This is one of my major complaints with GG writers--they couldn't come up with enough interesting plot development for the sweet, thoughtful, intelligent, "good-girl" Rory so they had to start twisting her character and making her behave badly and do absolutely stupid things, sometimes just lame and sometimes immoral. Life often gives enough drama and messes to the best of us; I would have prefered to see Rory in challenging situations through which she retained her character.
I really can't speak too much to Jess because I absolutely hated him all throughout the time the show originally aired and I haven't got to rewatching those seasons yet. I think he was good for Rory in that he was an intellectual match for her and maybe she thought she could be a good influence on his "bad boy" nature but I just never thought he was right for her as a boyfriend.
I'm still undecided about Logan. Yeah, he was a "bad boy" too, in a way, but I guess I prefered his jovial attitude to Jess' sullenness. (Plus, um, the Logan actor is so cute!) I think that, at this point, Rory was old enough to see through the "bad boy" to what was beneath, and also the reasons for the cover-ups; she also didn't always let him get away with his stupidity because he was capable of so much better. Sometimes they were pretty dumb together, but usually it seemed mutually beneficial. And I thought he really was her champion, "Ace" and all that. I am still disappointed that the writers made Rory give in to peer pressure and everything; she was so stand-out above that in the beginning and it seems she ought to have become wiser with age, not steal a yacht! Anyway, I'm not really sorry they didn't get married (and I thought Logan was pretty unreasonable and out of character to make the demands on her that he did) though I think they had the best chance of the three of making things work if they were to meet again in, say, five year's time.


I'm so NOT annoyed by your post!!! I totally agree! I felt that in later seasons the writers started having Rory's character do things that the early fifteen year old Rory never would have grown up to do. I just didn't make sense, and it seemed contrived to keep the plot going for an extra few years. The whole point in the beginning was that Rory and Lorelei were different and unique and GREAT! But that in their being "different" they were, perhaps, some of the most "normal" people of anyone. (wow, that sounds really out there, but I hope it makes a little sense).
I thought the writer's stayed pretty true to Lorelei's character the whole series, but Rory season 1 to Rory season 7 was like two very different characters....

Awesome points about Rory and Dean! I so see what you mean about Dean and how even though he wasn't "intellectual" in the way that Rory was, he did bring something to the table, and I think out of all the boyfriends he understood the Rory/Lorelei relationship best, which should says A LOT as that is so much a part of Rory. (though, I did love some scenes in later years with Logan where he has some sit down conversations with Lorelei! ;>)
I love your comment about Rory's personality changes, too. I would love to see more shows, read more books, where the challenges for a character are brought on by life events instead of by the character themselves. Not that such things can't happen, but it would be less soap opera-y in a way.
Ann, yes, that's actually pretty much what I wanted to say with my post.
And I also agree, Kathryn, that Dean was the most "suitable" of her boyfriends because he tried to relate (and also did a really good job there in the beginning.. until the writers intervened.. )
I also liked Dean as her boyfriend. He was the only one she should have gone out with. I mean, her initial reaction to Logan was that she was annoyed by his arrogance and rich boy behavior. He did not really change that.. and still she started going out with him, although she hurt Marty with that pretty much (not only because he was into her but also because Logan and his friends had money and he had to support himself through a myriad of jobs) and although he was so much Richard and Emily's taste (which is actually an indicate that Lorelei won't like him ; ) ).
And I also agree, Kathryn, that Dean was the most "suitable" of her boyfriends because he tried to relate (and also did a really good job there in the beginning.. until the writers intervened.. )
I also liked Dean as her boyfriend. He was the only one she should have gone out with. I mean, her initial reaction to Logan was that she was annoyed by his arrogance and rich boy behavior. He did not really change that.. and still she started going out with him, although she hurt Marty with that pretty much (not only because he was into her but also because Logan and his friends had money and he had to support himself through a myriad of jobs) and although he was so much Richard and Emily's taste (which is actually an indicate that Lorelei won't like him ; ) ).

Yes, that annoyed me too. It's also what I pointed out in my previous post... I don't really remember why she fell for Logan in the end, but it seemed very unrealistic to me. Those were also some of the episodes I really hated, after she had started going out with Logan. (Especially the one where they steal that yacht.. That is such a display of childish and un-rory-like behavior... :-/ )





I still find it funny they chose Obama for her to follow, since he was still pretty much a long shot when the show went off the air.





I'd like to think that they would end up together somewhere down the line.

I CANT DECIDE THEY ALL HAD SO MUCH IN COMMON

Dean. Okay Dean was a good HIGH SCHOOL Boyfriend. He's not the kind of guy you would want to spend your life with. But I liked how no matter what he always cared for Rory. Like when Jess and Rory were at that party, and Jess made Rory cry. I liked how Dean still cared for her.
Jess. Okay Here's Jess. I DID NOT like the "Bad-Boy" Jess. He was really annoying and stuck-up kind of. But I LOVED how he came back in the other Seasons. Plus when he came back in season....well i can't remember. Anyways, he was saying he wrote a book! And that was I think that's a great accomplisment for Jess. Considering he just LEFT Rory.
Logan. Logan, Logan, Logan. I didn't like him at first. Because how he just said to Rory that he was GOING to date other girls and he "wasn't" a one girl man. But I liked how he changed that JUST for Rory. I haven't finished the Seris but I did hear that he Proposes to Rory and She says no because she thought she was too young or something. But I think they stay together after that. Right? Right!?
Okay, so that is my opinion of ALL of Rory's boyfriends. But my Fav was Logan. And as you see up there that is why....kinda.
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i've got to go with Logan, here. and i hated him at first! it was just nice to see her with someone... well, "grown-up" isn't right, the boy jumps off of cliffs, but you get my point.


He was my favorite out of all of the guys in Rory's life.
Aside from Marty, because she didn't date him.