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message 151: by Karin (new)

Karin | 32 comments Jess... definitely Jess. I think if they had continued the show or made a movie they would have to bring Jess back into Rory's life. Dean was way too whitebread and then he cheated on his wife! and Logan just bugged me. Ok i have to get ready for work...


message 152: by Jenessa (new)

Jenessa | 1 comments Yes i definitely agree. Jess read a million books and listened to tons music just like her. But more than that he kept up with all the sarcastic and witty things that Rory dished out. Jess was my favorite and should have ended up with Rory in the end!


message 153: by Karin (new)

Karin | 32 comments Hillary, I think you're confused... I read comment 25 and she was referring to when Rory and Jess were at the party and Jess had her on the bed and she ran out and then Jess and Dean ended up in a fight. She was also talking about when Jess asked Rory to take off with him to New York, I believe that happened in season 4 when he came back to Stars Hollow and said "i love you" ... Sorry that I'm such a Gilmore Geek! Hahaha... but I just felt I should respond.


message 154: by Janna (new)

Janna I don't really think any of the three are good enough for her. Jess fits into Rory's life because they suit eachother intellectually, but he is just too "bad" for her. She's a good girl, and needs a good guy. Dean was so good that it was like a sour patch kid in reverse; first super sweet, but then just turns sour. He just wasn't enough for her. He had the care and love for her that she needed, but she needed someone more intellectual. She was too brainy for him. (Or, in other words, he wasn't smart enough for her.) In my opinion, Jess was the polar opposite of Dean. He was not a good guy in my opinion. I'm not trying to be a Jess-hater, but I just think other than his brains, he was a complete mismatch for Rory. Logan was like Tristan 2.0, lol. He had the social status that her family (meaning family other than Lorelai) appreciates. Something about Logan just rubbed me the wrong way. I mean, okay, so he's gorgeous. What else does he have to offer? Something about him just makes me think he isn't good enough for Rory. I feel like the perfect guy for Rory would be someone with a combination of Dean's absolute love and care for Rory, Jess' smarts, and Logan's gorgeous looks and social standing. But then again, it's a bit hard to come by some guy who is exactly perfect, is it? :)


message 155: by [deleted user] (new)

I say Jess. Dean just did not fit in her life very well and it really bugged my the way he cheated on his wife with Rory! That act alone dropped both he and Rory in my book by quite a bit. I don't care that his marriage was shaky or that he and Rory deeply cared for each other. It was just plain WRONG!!!! Anyway, even though Logan did seem to love her and he did grow up I don't think Rory would ever have been completely comfortable in his world. Jess really grew up and pulled things together. I think they could have been happy together.


message 156: by Rachel (last edited Aug 15, 2008 06:29AM) (new)

Rachel Humphries | 7 comments I'm gonna have to go with Dean. He was so cute and so sweet...I really wish they could have stayed together for good. But where would the drama be? Jess just had to come in there and be the bad boy to add excitement. :P

Maybe I liked Dean so much because he's so frickin' adorable?

I hate that he married Lindsey. They were way too young, and he knew he wasn't over Rory.


message 157: by [deleted user] (new)

Last night I saw the episode where Jess leaves town without telling Rory. He hadn't been calling her and didn't want to talk and groped her at the party and then he's leaving--on the bus and hiding his bag. He's a coward and a jerk. Everytime I think "oh yeah, I like bad boys too" and yeah, he turns his life around. But he's a Jerk with a capital J.


message 158: by Arctic (new)

Arctic | 571 comments no no no. not a jerk. just misunderstood.


message 159: by whichwaydidshego, the sage of sass (new)

whichwaydidshego | 1996 comments Mod
Ugh. "Misunderstood." So like he can be a jerk because no one gets him? I'm with Meredith on this one. It really isn't all about him! And the "grown-up" him wasn't all that much better... I mean even then he was giving ultimatums and demands. Sheesh. So he wrote a book. Whoopee. That doesn't make him Rory-worthy!


message 160: by whichwaydidshego, the sage of sass (new)

whichwaydidshego | 1996 comments Mod
Um... maybe this relates a little to much to all the men I seem to end up dating. LOL Jerks, I say. When do I get to go out with a GOOD guy??


message 161: by Synova (new)

Synova | 20 comments Tonight is the episode where Rory and Dean break up (for the 2nd time), and it's the beginning of the Logan era... I do love Logan, he's so nice to her trying to make her feel better. He may be a bit of a snobbish cad, but he's still my favorite.


message 162: by Eliza (new)

Eliza | 1 comments the cheating was most definintely horrible.
but Rory is supposed to be a role model, but i think everyone makes a mistake, and cheating on a spouse or boyfriend can be one of those mistakes.
it is important for young girls that there are people that mistakes, and they don't have to be perfect all the time, that normal people do stupid things for stupid reasons.

i can admit that the whole relationship ending was dumb, i mean, girls get emotionally attatched and even small relationships that don't result in sex can be traumatic.
so bad job writers! you didn't teach a good lesson!
people get burned when they cheat!
and it didn't happen!


message 163: by [deleted user] (new)

Hmm, I just watched the episode where Dean ends up all drunk at Luke's and says that Rory is perfect and that he still loves her. He then asks all sad "Why doesn't she love me?"
I never thought he was the perfect boyfriend for Rory, he cared about her and obviously really loved her, I did not like the way she left him at all and I hated even more how they were going out again. But still, I really pitied him in that episode. He must have been so awfully broken-hearted.
Actually, I did not like any of the guys Rory was going out with. When Jess first appeared, I did not like him at all. On rewatching the Jess seasons, I started liking him personally, but I never thought that he and Rory were a good match. He would have been good as just a friend, but he was just to irresponsible a a boyfriend. I mean, he ran away about 2 or 3 times when they were going out without telling her where he went or why.
Logan was just as bad as Jess. He was irresponsible as well and arrogant and just too much the rich kid in addition.
Rory should have someone who cares as much about her as Dean did, who is as independent, individualist and bookish as Jess is and as funny as Logan.


message 164: by Ann (new)

Ann | 345 comments Okay, so I voted for Dean in the poll. I would like to clarify though that that is seasons 1&2 Dean. They totally messed with him and Rory later on which SO bugged me! But, I thought Dean (seasons 1&2) and Rory were so cute together.
As for Jess, I'm biased because I'm currently finishing re-watching season 2 and so all I've got to see of him is the really annoying stuff. Yes, he had good qualities, but in a way that makes me even more annoyed with him. But, since I see he comes back in later seasons I'll withhold further judgment until I see those.
I did like Marty A LOT and thought he was kind of the older more matchable version of Dean and was sorry that never went anywhere.
I couldn't stand Logan at first, and his relapses really bothered me, but I did feel he was making serious progress towards the end and had to the potential to be really good. I'm surprised Rory ever would have gone with a guy like him to begin with though.... But, I did end up liking him a lot.
Wow - how's that for all over the map lol!:D


message 165: by Gwynne (new)

Gwynne | 63 comments Eliza, I just wanted to comment on your response to the cheating things. When he cheated, he thought that they were broken up, so in his mind, he wasn't cheating. I specify this because I know a few people who it's happened to, myself included. I was single, but apparently a certain boy thought I wasn't. He got really hurt by it. Later in his life he did the same thing to a different girl and called me for advice. I have never said that I cheated on anyone, because I didn't have a boyfriend. I still probably shouldn't have done it, but it's very far from the same thing. It's one of those confusing moments, like when people have a "break" from a relationship. Are you single or are you just not talking to the other person?


message 166: by Synova (new)

Synova | 20 comments Eliza, which cheating are you referring to? Rory and Dean while Dean was married? Or Logan and Rory "when they were on a break" (sorry for the Friends reference, but that's what it always reminds me of)

As to Rory and Dean (while married) - I thought that was poor form on Rory's part (and Dean's as well)

As to Logan and Rory - bad form on Logan's part, but given the situation and his mindset, not as bad as Dean cheating on his wife with Rory.


message 167: by Christina (new)

Christina (honey1977) | 9 comments Good heaven it´s really difficult to choose a team here! I liked Dean Jess and Logan as well. Stupid me! Maybe that´s the reason why I ended up as an single-mom ;)???
No, honestly- I´m sure Rory needed all of them to become wo she is now! I´m no therapist or anything alike but there would surely be lacks in her great character if she hadn´t the experiences with all three of them.
So I´m in Team-DEANJESSLOGAN!


message 168: by [deleted user] (new)

Actually, I recently thought about Rory's development because there have been phases during the show when I just could not stand her. Although I preferred her to Lorelei when I liked her, I "steadily" liked Lorelei throughout the show.
The early 15 years old Rory definitely was my favorite. She was just very geeky, that also showed in her clothing style.
They changed that aspect of her character pretty soon, though. Don't get me wrong, I think her always very well dressed - but in the early episodes she was once wearing an oversized wool pullover and had a really baggy-looking leather backpack for school and at another time, it was black shorts, I think, with army boots.
Also, she behaved pretty bitchy in some later episodes, which is something that seemed totally out of character. So to me, it looked like the authors sometimes had let those little "slips" happening for the story's sake (although I personally was rather irritated by that, no matter how well it fit the plot).

Aww, sorry, that's completely off topic now. If any of you are irritated by my post then I'll delete it : )


message 169: by Kathryn (new)

Kathryn | 361 comments I agree that Dean, Jess and Logan each brought out something in Rory so they were all good for her in a way, though I really did not like some of the character changes Rory went through in these relationships.

SPOILERS

Dean was the perfect "first boyfriend" for Rory. Some complain that he was not intelligent enough for Rory, but I think that is unfair; we are not all intellectuals but he had many other great qualities. He was so sweet, gentlemanly, genuinely interested in Rory and her "brains" and encouraging--and he did TRY to relate, I mean, come on, he tried to read "Anna Kerenina" for her! And he understood her and Lorelai's awesome relationship and never tried to change the mother/daughter closeness; he wasn't jealous. I absolutely HEART Dean early on. (As to some of his "immature" behavior like with the silly reaction to the "I love you" confession--well, that is because he is sixteen and feelings get hurt and some adults don't handle it that well even though they are "grown up"--yeah, it was stupid but I think that's the point; Rory wasn't so great with it, either) LATER the writers TOTALLY MESSED DEAN UP (getting married so early, then CHEATING on his wife with Rory!? WHAT!?!?! (And what was Rory thinking!?!)) and I was so miffed I almost quit watching. This is one of my major complaints with GG writers--they couldn't come up with enough interesting plot development for the sweet, thoughtful, intelligent, "good-girl" Rory so they had to start twisting her character and making her behave badly and do absolutely stupid things, sometimes just lame and sometimes immoral. Life often gives enough drama and messes to the best of us; I would have prefered to see Rory in challenging situations through which she retained her character.

I really can't speak too much to Jess because I absolutely hated him all throughout the time the show originally aired and I haven't got to rewatching those seasons yet. I think he was good for Rory in that he was an intellectual match for her and maybe she thought she could be a good influence on his "bad boy" nature but I just never thought he was right for her as a boyfriend.

I'm still undecided about Logan. Yeah, he was a "bad boy" too, in a way, but I guess I prefered his jovial attitude to Jess' sullenness. (Plus, um, the Logan actor is so cute!) I think that, at this point, Rory was old enough to see through the "bad boy" to what was beneath, and also the reasons for the cover-ups; she also didn't always let him get away with his stupidity because he was capable of so much better. Sometimes they were pretty dumb together, but usually it seemed mutually beneficial. And I thought he really was her champion, "Ace" and all that. I am still disappointed that the writers made Rory give in to peer pressure and everything; she was so stand-out above that in the beginning and it seems she ought to have become wiser with age, not steal a yacht! Anyway, I'm not really sorry they didn't get married (and I thought Logan was pretty unreasonable and out of character to make the demands on her that he did) though I think they had the best chance of the three of making things work if they were to meet again in, say, five year's time.



message 170: by Kathryn (new)

Kathryn | 361 comments PS To one of Michele's comments earlier on about the Logan ending; I do see what you mean about the if you're all in, you're all in I just thought it was a bit sudden that he was to that "all in" phase so I guess that's why I felt it was out of character. (I did feel really bad for him, though! Sniffle.)


message 171: by Ann (new)

Ann | 345 comments Marion,
I'm so NOT annoyed by your post!!! I totally agree! I felt that in later seasons the writers started having Rory's character do things that the early fifteen year old Rory never would have grown up to do. I just didn't make sense, and it seemed contrived to keep the plot going for an extra few years. The whole point in the beginning was that Rory and Lorelei were different and unique and GREAT! But that in their being "different" they were, perhaps, some of the most "normal" people of anyone. (wow, that sounds really out there, but I hope it makes a little sense).
I thought the writer's stayed pretty true to Lorelei's character the whole series, but Rory season 1 to Rory season 7 was like two very different characters....


message 172: by Ann (new)

Ann | 345 comments Kathryn,
Awesome points about Rory and Dean! I so see what you mean about Dean and how even though he wasn't "intellectual" in the way that Rory was, he did bring something to the table, and I think out of all the boyfriends he understood the Rory/Lorelei relationship best, which should says A LOT as that is so much a part of Rory. (though, I did love some scenes in later years with Logan where he has some sit down conversations with Lorelei! ;>)

I love your comment about Rory's personality changes, too. I would love to see more shows, read more books, where the challenges for a character are brought on by life events instead of by the character themselves. Not that such things can't happen, but it would be less soap opera-y in a way.


message 173: by [deleted user] (new)

Ann, yes, that's actually pretty much what I wanted to say with my post.
And I also agree, Kathryn, that Dean was the most "suitable" of her boyfriends because he tried to relate (and also did a really good job there in the beginning.. until the writers intervened.. )
I also liked Dean as her boyfriend. He was the only one she should have gone out with. I mean, her initial reaction to Logan was that she was annoyed by his arrogance and rich boy behavior. He did not really change that.. and still she started going out with him, although she hurt Marty with that pretty much (not only because he was into her but also because Logan and his friends had money and he had to support himself through a myriad of jobs) and although he was so much Richard and Emily's taste (which is actually an indicate that Lorelei won't like him ; ) ).


message 174: by Shannon (new)

Shannon | 40 comments I just finished watching season one, I notice a few parallels between Tristan and Logan. Tristan called her Mary, Logan called her Ace. Spiky blond hair, parents are in the same circle as the Gilmores. Tristan is what I would guess Logan was like in high school. That same arrogance and rich boy behavior. Rory hated Tristan, so I find it hard to believe that she would be into someone like Logan.


message 175: by [deleted user] (new)

Yes, that annoyed me too. It's also what I pointed out in my previous post... I don't really remember why she fell for Logan in the end, but it seemed very unrealistic to me. Those were also some of the episodes I really hated, after she had started going out with Logan. (Especially the one where they steal that yacht.. That is such a display of childish and un-rory-like behavior... :-/ )


message 176: by Kathryn (new)

Kathryn | 361 comments It's been awhile now, but I think I only warmed to the Logan aspect after Rory had been with him for awhile and he seemed to "grow-up." In the beginning there were definitely some Tristan similarities and I thought it odd Rory wanted to go with him, too. (I admit to holding out hope for Marty but that quickly tanked!)


message 177: by Ann (new)

Ann | 345 comments Yeah, I don't really remember why Rory started dating Logan either... now I'm very curious to rewatch those later episodes! Because I do remember warming up to Logan by the end... but I don't know what really changed.... hm.... I think I kept getting annoyed though at his character going back and forth between maturing and then not... Hm. Well, not like I needed an excuse to watch more GG anyway! lol!


message 178: by Emma (new)

Emma (emmascout) Um, well i don't know! Jess is just, well JESS!! and Dean was just so mean to Rory sometimes. He didn't even care about his wife! Logan, well I'm really only on Season 5!! So Rory and Logan have Just started dating but so far he's a pretty good first. But the Marty guy if he was an option i would pick him. Because he liked Rory and he was a good friend as well(Dean was a good friend too!But just not Rory's type i think!)


message 179: by Ann (new)

Ann | 345 comments Yes, I wonder why they never developed the Marty relationship more... seems like that could have really gone somewhere... hm.


message 180: by Deanna (new)

Deanna | 1 comments jess definatly jess


message 181: by Quotes (new)

Quotes <3 logan.




message 182: by Jennifer (new)

Jennifer (joysdivision) | 6 comments Dean is physically the most my type, but she should have ended up with Logan. They are the most alike, and they had the most opportunities together (to travel, etc.). It is going to sound snobby and horrible, and I realise that, but being from the same kind of family and background really does help in the long run. Jess was fun as the "bad boy affair" a lot of us have in University, but for someone one is supposed to marry and end up with, Logan was the best choice. Or whoever she met on the road following Obama: the next President of the United States! ;)

I still find it funny they chose Obama for her to follow, since he was still pretty much a long shot when the show went off the air.


message 183: by Monique (new)

Monique (moneeky) | 1 comments TEAM JESS (Season 6 version). The 4th post (Amy) said exactly what I was going to say. I still hope there will be a Gilmore Girls movie where she and Jess really reconnect....


message 184: by Danyiel (new)

Danyiel | 10 comments Sorry team Logan here!!!!!!!!!! I think everyone needs a little ying to their yang and that is what Rory and Logan were to each other. He brought a little adventure to her, and she brought a little of down to earth to him. They suppored eachothers dreams and ambitions and were going down the same path.


message 185: by Ann (new)

Ann | 345 comments This is so interesting that we all love GG and yet there's such a mixture of which boyfriend we all prefer. That's kind of neat, actually. I wonder if the writers' had a favorite...?


message 186: by Lilly (new)

Lilly Okay i have to say i HATED the hs jess i actually really like him now. HATE dean cuz he's so mean to Lindsey and rory. i actually like logan. so its between the new jess and logan. im not sure!


message 187: by [deleted user] (new)

JESS


message 188: by Lauren (new)

Lauren I liked Logan the best as the person she dated. I think Dean was jealous and immature. The immaturity shows clearly in the infidelity once he marries Lindsey. (Yes it was a stupid thing for Rory to do also but he was married, not her) Jess was angry and rebelious while Rory was dating him but he grew up. Grown up Jess would be a great match for Rory since he understands her the best.

I'd like to think that they would end up together somewhere down the line.


message 189: by Elizabeth (new)

Elizabeth | 4 comments I like Dean :o). I wanted Rory and Dean stayed together.


message 190: by Kristi (new)

Kristi (kristilarson) I think Logas was the best for Rory. They complimented each other pretty well, and seemed to love each other for the right reasons. I liked Jess, but I guess I felt that it would never last. It was a *good* experience for both of them, but they really weren't right for each other. Dean was just kind of boring, but not bad for a first love.


message 191: by [deleted user] (new)

I CANT DECIDE THEY ALL HAD SO MUCH IN COMMON


message 192: by Emma (new)

Emma (emmascout) Okay, so before I've commented. But now I have more to say about each of Rory's BF's.

Dean. Okay Dean was a good HIGH SCHOOL Boyfriend. He's not the kind of guy you would want to spend your life with. But I liked how no matter what he always cared for Rory. Like when Jess and Rory were at that party, and Jess made Rory cry. I liked how Dean still cared for her.

Jess. Okay Here's Jess. I DID NOT like the "Bad-Boy" Jess. He was really annoying and stuck-up kind of. But I LOVED how he came back in the other Seasons. Plus when he came back in season....well i can't remember. Anyways, he was saying he wrote a book! And that was I think that's a great accomplisment for Jess. Considering he just LEFT Rory.

Logan. Logan, Logan, Logan. I didn't like him at first. Because how he just said to Rory that he was GOING to date other girls and he "wasn't" a one girl man. But I liked how he changed that JUST for Rory. I haven't finished the Seris but I did hear that he Proposes to Rory and She says no because she thought she was too young or something. But I think they stay together after that. Right? Right!?

Okay, so that is my opinion of ALL of Rory's boyfriends. But my Fav was Logan. And as you see up there that is why....kinda.
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message 193: by Kate (new)

Kate | 2 comments I'm a grown up jess girl all the way. I liked Marty before he came back as what's her names boyfriend but then when that happened he became a slimeball :(


message 194: by Melissa (new)

Melissa (sweetmelissa818) Logan without a doubt. Boyfriends you have in high school aren't always the best choice, because you're still growing and changing. Of course, I married my high school boyfriend, so what do I know?


message 195: by Jasmine (new)

Jasmine Despite his faults, I have to say most definitely Jess! What is it about the bad boys, I'll never know!


message 196: by [deleted user] (new)

i've got to go with Logan, here. and i hated him at first! it was just nice to see her with someone... well, "grown-up" isn't right, the boy jumps off of cliffs, but you get my point.


message 197: by Alya (new)

Alya (borringbee) | 1 comments OMG Jess all the way!! i loved jess, the bad boy and the new and impproved!! Besides it does help that he's super HOT!! :)


message 198: by Ck (new)

Ck | 3 comments Jess!

He was my favorite out of all of the guys in Rory's life.
Aside from Marty, because she didn't date him.



message 199: by Nelmy (new)

Nelmy | 1 comments jess definetely!!!


message 200: by Handiani (new)

Handiani | 1 comments of course Jess!!bad boy who become grown up and still down to earth..:P


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