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Published by a small imprint,
. Setting for this historical fiction is the Bronze Age, the river Boyne (county Meath, ROI ).
You might also contact authors Orna Ross and Hazel Gaynor ( not sure whether Gaynor's title is in print, however).
Sincerely,
J. S. Dunn
PS ) Could a term other than the "British Isles" be used, as Ireland is a Republic. Go raibh maith agat. Thanks.
Sorry I've I've made a linguistic faux pas. I did some research first to check and I was under the impression that 'Great Britain' excluded both parts of Ireland, but 'British Isles' was an acceptable inclusive term for the UK and the Republic or Ireland.http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch....
Is this incorrect?
P.S. Will add the book dreckly. :-)
Hello, me again...I've added 'Bending the Boyne'.
Orna Ross has already kindly agreed to take part.
I've contacted Hazel Gaynor on your recommendation. Books don't need to be in print. All of the covers so far link to the Kindle edition.
Thanks again.
Hi Rosen,The term British Isles is not liked by many in Ireland and considered offensive by many due to it being a geopolitical term. It is also an ambiguous term used to mean many different things and refers to different groupings of islands. The Irish Government don’t recognise the term or use it. They would preferred it discontinued as a term. However, the most widespread definition includes the Isle of Man and Channel Islands as well as the islands of Britain and Ireland (but sometimes not including Irealnd and/or the Channel Islands).
May I suggest you use the term UK and Ireland instead of the British Isles? This would be much less objectionable. However, it is still a political definition. If you mean to refer to the two islands, and remain purely geographical, then Britain and Ireland would be the best option.
The term winds-up a lot of Irish people in my experience, especially when Ireland is included in the definition, but they usually don't protest too much about it.
Good luck with the project and hope this helps you side step the minefield that is trying to chose an acceptable term for these islands.
Andi
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Thanks for the clarification. A bit like the Cornish rejecting to notion of being English perhaps...
It is nothing like the Cornish rejecting the notion of being english. We in the Republic of Ireland are not english or indeed british, so no it isnt one bit like that. But as always the british like to claim everything as usual. We are Irish, not english or british.
So...em...either change it or only include Northern Ireland...
I didn't say you were British. I said that Ireland was part of the British Isles, which geographically, according to the sources I found, it appears to be.I am well aware that being Irish is not the same as being British and certainly not the same as being English.
What I was referring to was rejecting the specific term 'British Isles'.
Wikipedia:"The British Isles is an archipelago consisting of the two large islands of Great Britain and Ireland, and many smaller surrounding islands. By tradition, it also includes the Channel Islands, although they are physically closer to the continental mainland.
Ireland is the second largest island of the archipelago and lies directly to the west of Great Britain."
You are more than welcome to reject the terminology if you feel that it implies that Ireland is part of Britain (indeed I changed the terms I was using to describe the map in order not to offend) but it does not change the fact that the terminology is there.
In that sense it IS the same as the Cornish arguing that they are not English, because you are rejecting a statement that appears to be factual, no matter how unpalatable it might be.
I did not wish to offend but you seem to wish to be offended.
The term 'British Isles' was widely used in most countries until the 90s. It fell out of favour mostly due to the distaste of people in the Republic of Ireland who disliked any implied association with Britain.
The term 'Great Britain and Ireland' is sometimes used, but there are Irish Unionists who dislike that term because it seems, in their eyes, that the use of 'Ireland' omits Northern Ireland's status as a member of the UK. The UK and Ireland is probably the least disputed, as the official name of the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." This is seen as better but still leaves the the status of Ireland vague. For some reason the UK and Republic of Ireland appears to be too much of a mouthful.
The Cornish see themselves as culturally distinct from England. They spoke their own Celtic language until the end of the the 19th century. They have their own myths and legends, music and art. The wear their own brand of tartan and have their own musical instruments. Quite a lot see themselves as British but not English.
The term 'Great Britain and Ireland' is sometimes used, but there are Irish Unionists who dislike that term because it seems, in their eyes, that the use of 'Ireland' omits Northern Ireland's status as a member of the UK. The UK and Ireland is probably the least disputed, as the official name of the UK is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." This is seen as better but still leaves the the status of Ireland vague. For some reason the UK and Republic of Ireland appears to be too much of a mouthful.
The Cornish see themselves as culturally distinct from England. They spoke their own Celtic language until the end of the the 19th century. They have their own myths and legends, music and art. The wear their own brand of tartan and have their own musical instruments. Quite a lot see themselves as British but not English.
Thanks for that Declan. I started using 'Britain and Ireland' some days ago. That seems to be the most widely accepted description. I changed the title on the website and subsequent mentions but can't change the URL at this stage for SEO reasons.I know that the Cornish distinction is one of cultural significance. My comparison related purely to the superficial rejection of a definition not the underlying historical or political reasons for the rejection. In that sense, there is a similarity.
I disagree with about the Cornish, but I think you were getting unfair flack for using a term that has only recently fallen out of favour, and is still recognised by that definition by a significant number of people.
After all, you were gracious enough to change the name of the map, and website. That should be people's first acknowledgement.
I like what you trying to do. There are a lot of people in this group alone who are trying to get their work out to a wider audience. I'm in favour of anything that aids that.
After all, you were gracious enough to change the name of the map, and website. That should be people's first acknowledgement.
I like what you trying to do. There are a lot of people in this group alone who are trying to get their work out to a wider audience. I'm in favour of anything that aids that.
Thank you. It's frustrating because I realised this was going to be a minefield and so researched the terminology first - it was just unfortunate that the sources I found didn't mention the controversy surrounding the vocabulary.
Rosen I wasn't being personal in my above comment. It is often the case thay the Republic of Ireland gets lumped in with being british. This is very annoying to a lot of people. I wish you well with what you are trying to achieve.
Thanks. From a personal point of view, I do recognise the difference.
I've added it to tile 85. Does that suit you?Thank you very much for allowing us to use your cover.
Read all the above with great interest. From the ancient perspective, the Island to the West of Britannia was never lumped in by the Romans at least, who always thought of Hibernia as an unreachable, wild place. Then for eight hundred and some-odd years, the British felt they owned Ireland and could add it into their own geography with no one complaining. It's long been time that the geography texts and even Wikipedia need to get their act together. I mean, once before the ice, Britain was connected to France over a wide, lush area of pastureland, so maybe we should refer to Western Breton or the French Isle? I'd add my own titles tot he map, but I'm a Yank -- result of diaspora.
There were remnants of a Roman camp found near Dublin but its permanence is disputed. It's been posited by some archaeologists that it was a trading camp, only, and that it was only used at certain months of the year.
After the battle of Watling Street Rome settled permanent town and cities in England; or at least what we might recognise as England today. Sending a permanent settlements to Ireland would have overextended the army and the Hibernian settlers would have been beyond reinforcements.
The Roman settlers in England also hated the weather. There was little appetite to go somewhere where the weather was worse.
After the battle of Watling Street Rome settled permanent town and cities in England; or at least what we might recognise as England today. Sending a permanent settlements to Ireland would have overextended the army and the Hibernian settlers would have been beyond reinforcements.
The Roman settlers in England also hated the weather. There was little appetite to go somewhere where the weather was worse.
I'm not sure that Ireland would sustain a varietal grape harvest. That must have been the real reason the Romans demurred. It only makes sense, as they hadn't yet conceived of using barley and rye to make the water of life.
I've never considered the importance of alcohol in conquest before. It's an interesting thesis, that's for sure. We did have Mead, though. There would have been plenty of that, as long as the Romans weren't so fussy.
We do have Vineyards nowadays, though. It isn't a big deal for me, though. I don't drink, and even when I did I wasn't a big wine fan.
We do have Vineyards nowadays, though. It isn't a big deal for me, though. I don't drink, and even when I did I wasn't a big wine fan.
Book map in the link at original post is looking very well, Rosen !
Yes, agreed, Rosen - it looks great, but it seems to be missing Canada and the States, Australia and Mexico, too! Lots of Irish Writers in those additional locations.
Gotcha!Really nice work.
Now that I've annoyed you, would youy please add my two books, The Red Gate, and The Gatekeepers, to the map? They take place on the Co. Mayo coast, just a bit North of Galway. Many thanks!The Red Gate
The Gatekeepers
Of course. Please can you tell me the tile numbers that you'd like? See the map for remaining options:http://www.indie-book-bargains.co.uk/...
By the way, anybody who's been featured is welcome to grab an 'I'm on the map' badge for their website.http://www.indie-book-bargains.co.uk/...
If tile 81 is free, then The Red Gate should go there! Thanks!
Added, with thanks.And The Gatekeepers?
Won't Fit! But it can go next to The Red Gate as they both take place in that section of Mayo. Thanks!
They're both on there now. Thanks Richard. Ireland is filling up!
Hi Rosen,Is it too late to add another title? My historical fiction Hitler and Mars Bars is set in Ireland - mainly Counties Cavan and Leitrim and I live in Northern Ireland, near Enniskillen (near Brookeborough if your map is that precise. You can get the cover image from my profile page.
thanks,
Dianne
Hi Rosen,As of 2013 I had seven titles in e-book; this year I added four.
I live in Ireland and the books are all so far, set in UK or Ireland. One tale also travels to America.
Murder at Irish Mensa
Murder At Wicklow Mensa
Murder at Dublin Mensa
Murder At Scottish Mensa
Murder At Kildare Mensa
Mysteries
Silks And Sins
Romance
Dining Out With The Ice Giants
Dining Out Around The Solar System
Science fiction
The Prisoner In The Tower: Short Story & Big Cat Bones
Historical
Rodeo Finn
Show Jumping Team
Young adult, horses
I hope you have room. (grin) Thanks for the offer of a mention.
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