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I think you must make a better argument than he does.
Kevin wrote: "I think you must make a better argument than he does."
He doesn't make much of an argument. It's basically lying is bad and yes you have to pay a price when you tell the truth but it's always worth it!
This isn't an argument. It's a statement. The book is too short to contain any arguments. I can't counter this. My problem is that there are many questions unanswered.
Here's my statement: Telling the truth is not always worth it ;-)
Kevin wrote: "Here's my statement: Telling the truth is not always worth it ;-)"
Oh, I think I misinterpreted your first comment then. :|
sorry about that. My bad. :D
Yes, that's what I'm saying. And plus it's a very complex philosophic subject; I mean morality, ethics, epistemology, utilitarianism, etc... not even one of them is considered here.
Telling the truth is usually not worth it. :D
And there's a reason for that. There's a mechanism to this system and a reason for its existence.
Thank you for pointing out that the individual does not agree, and therefore does not owe, an explanation to someone simply because s/he is asked. When I step out the door, I will invariably come across people to whom I've made no agreements about my telling them the truth. They are not friends, co-workers, bosses, family. I have no social relationship to them other than that we are both humans. When they ask a question about me, I do be owe them the truth. Lying is my right because they have no absolute right to my information. Lying gets a lot of fried, but it makes the world more bearable for many people.
Nate wrote: "Thank you for pointing out that the individual does not agree, and therefore does not owe, an explanation to someone simply because s/he is asked. When I step out the door, I will invariably come ..."
Thank you Nate. :)
I also agree that lying is a necessity.
Having read the "free will" and your review I no longer desire to put time on any of his books. They're too shallow it seems.
Amir wrote: "Having read the "free will" and your review I no longer desire to put time on any of his books. They're too shallow it seems."
I hope he's got some other things to do with his life, because when it comes to philosophy, he's not all that good.
He is, as you said, too shallow.
I also gave up on him after I read two of his books.
Well I do believe in being honest. But yes there are times when lying a good thing. For ex., lying to the Gestapo to save the Jews. Also your girlfriend asks about her weight, no honey you're not fat!
One more okay lie, to protect your job.
Or one's family.
Paul wrote: "Well I do believe in being honest. But yes there are times when lying a good thing. For ex., lying to the Gestapo to save the Jews. Also your girlfriend asks about her weight, no honey you're not fat!"
I also believe it's good not to lie. I mean even from a utilitarian point of view. I don't really believe there's anything inherently good or bad. But in the long run, I believe it's always better to tell the truth. There are very few circumstances when lying can be logically justified, such as some of the examples you provided.
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Kevin wrote: "I think you must make a better argument than he does."He doesn't make much of an argument. It's basically lying is bad and yes you have to pay a price when you tell the truth but it's always worth it!
This isn't an argument. It's a statement. The book is too short to contain any arguments. I can't counter this. My problem is that there are many questions unanswered.
Here's my statement: Telling the truth is not always worth it ;-)
Kevin wrote: "Here's my statement: Telling the truth is not always worth it ;-)"Oh, I think I misinterpreted your first comment then. :|
sorry about that. My bad. :D
Yes, that's what I'm saying. And plus it's a very complex philosophic subject; I mean morality, ethics, epistemology, utilitarianism, etc... not even one of them is considered here.
Telling the truth is usually not worth it. :D
And there's a reason for that. There's a mechanism to this system and a reason for its existence.
Thank you for pointing out that the individual does not agree, and therefore does not owe, an explanation to someone simply because s/he is asked. When I step out the door, I will invariably come across people to whom I've made no agreements about my telling them the truth. They are not friends, co-workers, bosses, family. I have no social relationship to them other than that we are both humans. When they ask a question about me, I do be owe them the truth. Lying is my right because they have no absolute right to my information. Lying gets a lot of fried, but it makes the world more bearable for many people.
Nate wrote: "Thank you for pointing out that the individual does not agree, and therefore does not owe, an explanation to someone simply because s/he is asked. When I step out the door, I will invariably come ..."Thank you Nate. :)
I also agree that lying is a necessity.
Having read the "free will" and your review I no longer desire to put time on any of his books. They're too shallow it seems.
Amir wrote: "Having read the "free will" and your review I no longer desire to put time on any of his books. They're too shallow it seems."I hope he's got some other things to do with his life, because when it comes to philosophy, he's not all that good.
He is, as you said, too shallow.
I also gave up on him after I read two of his books.
Well I do believe in being honest. But yes there are times when lying a good thing. For ex., lying to the Gestapo to save the Jews. Also your girlfriend asks about her weight, no honey you're not fat!
One more okay lie, to protect your job.Or one's family.
Paul wrote: "Well I do believe in being honest. But yes there are times when lying a good thing. For ex., lying to the Gestapo to save the Jews. Also your girlfriend asks about her weight, no honey you're not fat!"I also believe it's good not to lie. I mean even from a utilitarian point of view. I don't really believe there's anything inherently good or bad. But in the long run, I believe it's always better to tell the truth. There are very few circumstances when lying can be logically justified, such as some of the examples you provided.
