Sam Rainer

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We can’t know that nature is broken in some way unless there is some supernatural standard of normalcy apart from nature by which we can judge right and wrong. That means there would have to be heaven or God or some kind of divine order outside of nature in order to make that judgment.
Sam Rainer
There is no basis for morality from a secular viewpoint
The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism
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