Then an Epicurean puts the opposite case. Life is full of pleasurable and beautiful experiences, he says, such as listening to the voice of a woman speaking sweetly or tasting good wine. (I myself, he digresses, have cellars filled with the best vintages.) There are deeper pleasures, too, such as those that come from having a family, holding public office, and lovemaking. (He has a lot to say about this last one.) Even better is the self-satisfied glow that comes from knowing how virtuous one is: that is just another kind of pleasure.
