Gruber said at the meeting. “I guess what I am trying to bring out is the destructive element and that maybe this is how he will do with us—destroy our availability to him as he has destroyed her availability to him.” Ross agreed. “He treats women as if they are the containers for his anxiety and are there to indulge him and pat his hand whenever he’s in pain,” he said. “And he does that with me, too, you know—‘You don’t know what pain I’m in. How can you do this to me?’”