Over the years many mainstream journalists, including some Redeemer members, wrote about the church. Kathy commented to one of the journalists, “It’s surprising that so many educated twenty- and thirty-somethings would attend a church that teaches against sex outside marriage.” The journalist laughed. “Yes, that would be surprising.” “No,” Kathy clarified, “I’m saying that’s what we actually teach.” The journalist blinked a dumbfounded response.