Karma, the podcast editor, said his transformative moment occurred when he was assigned to help a client fire fifteen hundred of its employees worldwide—“not because it was struggling, but because they wanted to make more money,” Karma said. “Get them out of the door as quickly and efficiently as possible without any litigation.” For him, that marked the end. “I could not come into work every day knowing everything I had worked my entire life for—all of it was being used to make other people’s lives worse.”

