“I think it’s great for people to be able to die a decent death,” I said. “But if we’re selling this as improving people’s outcomes, doesn’t that kind of undermine it a little bit?” “No,” said Tsemberis. “People would die anyway. It’s just housing. It’s not a miracle. People die. If they’re homeless, people die, if they’re housed they die.” “So we should not expect permanent supportive housing to lower the mortality rate?” I asked. “Not given the preconditions that people come in with,” he said.