But there is no need to attribute proto-consciousness to elementary systems in order to get around a frozen “simple matter.” It is enough to have observed how the world is better described by relative variables and their correlations. This allows us to be released from the prison of a blunt opposition between the objectivity of matter and mental life. The rigid distinction between a mental world and a physical one fades. It is possible to think of both mental and physical phenomena as natural phenomena: both products of interactions between parts of the physical world.