How many albums were in your contract? I think we had three and an option. So, following Vheissu, we made a twenty-four-song, four-EP concept record. Which labels just love. They love ’em! Any label, even indie labels. [Laughs] They were all themed around the four elements, and they’re themed sonically as well as lyrically, and it was out there. I think maybe, even though it wasn’t discussed, we were like, “This is how we get out. We make a fucked-up concept record and the label’s gonna be like, ‘What the fuck is this?’” And that’s exactly what happened. I think Rob, in a way, thought, “If
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