“Mark Kates called me and said, ‘Do you want to meet with Jawbreaker? They’re a really cool band. They’re one of Kurt Cobain’s favorite bands and they opened for Nirvana on a leg of their tour,’” remembers Cavallo. “I heard their demos and thought to myself, Oh jeez, this is a whole new kind of rock. I don’t even know what the fuck to call this! I don’t know if they’d called it emo yet, but that was part of the birth of emo right there.”