I definitely had a sharp vision of how prisons would be, like, totally unnecessary within maybe ten years, you know, like in long term. [laughter] I think, in a more specific way, I really thought that once people got wind of stuff, maybe by like drenching the streets in zines or something, about how freeing it was to actually do the work to heal wounds, especially wounds around toxic masculinity and patriarchy, that folks would understand that this was such a gifted opportunity that we all had, like that it was a gift to get to be accountable and not a punishment. And that kind of core heart
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