But I decided that it would be too far-fetched, and no one would believe anybody could be so crass. I remember contrasting it with a subsequent lunch I had with Hillary Clinton, which we spent talking about education reform, drug policy, women’s rights, conflicts around the world and criminal justice reform. She was a great listener as well as a very eloquent speaker. As far as Donald Trump is concerned, the meeting was a completely wasted opportunity. I left his apartment feeling quite sorry for him.