This one night, us kids heard all kinds of things, so we peeked in Kathy’s room and saw Dad doing something to Kathy, ’cause [a] lot of white foaming stuff was coming out of Kathy’s mouth. I think Mom poisoned her. Or caused Kathy so much brain damage from hitting her in the head. But Kathy wasn’t moving. I think she was dead. We had to run back away from the room ’cause we are not allowed to be downstairs and we didn’t want Mom to know what we saw. She would beat us or do bad things to us if she knew what we saw.”