OPRAH: The alternative is to decide not to fight with life, but for some people that can feel like just giving up. MICHAEL: But you don’t do that in any way, shape, or form. Life is a natural unfolding of reality. You’re supposed to harmonize and work with it. You don’t give up and let it take over. Like if you get on a horse and you’re scared, you’re not going to be a very good rider, right? But that doesn’t mean you let the horse go wherever it wants. You learn how to interface and interact with life in a wholesome, participatory way. Letting go of fear is not letting go of life.