“But, John, the guys out there are not going to be happy if I don’t testify.” He did not say who “the guys” were—but Dowd knew he meant the Trump base, the crowds at his rallies, the Fox News watchers, the deplorables. “What are they going to think when Mueller requests an indictment for 1001 violations?” Dowd asked, referring to false statements. “No, no, I’m a good witness. I’ll be a real good witness.” Dowd knew this was self-delusion, total bullshit. He had earlier told the president an anecdote from a lawyer friend in Florida who had once taken Trump’s deposition. When the lawyer had
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