We had the following discussion: “Doctor Leisola, you are a very religious man!” “Professor Winterhalter, so are you!” “What do you mean?” “Your world view, like mine, is based on things that cannot be proved but have to be accepted finally by faith.” “Hmm... you may be right.” We both had a presupposition about the nature of reality. Each of us thought that his own view was reasonable and fit the facts. But neither of us as finite men could prove with mathematical certainty his own starting point. In this respect we both were believers.