This is not very surprising, given that the symbol-stages are the most observable part of people’s overall development; they give us the words and templates we use to relate to the world. Whereas state, depth and even stage are all difficult to observe directly, the symbol-stage is relatively manifest. But symbol-stages and effective value memes are not the same. The symbol-stages are the abstract logics inherent to the symbols, whereas effective value meme are descriptions of embodied behaviors.