Martin Harris was questioned by a Palmyra lawyer, who asked him pointedly: “Did you see the plates and the engravings upon them with your bodily eyes?” To which he replied: “I did not see them as I do that pencil-case, yet I saw them with the eye of faith; I saw them just as distinctly as I see anything around me — though at the time they were covered with a cloth.” * However, when Harris was a very old man he told one interviewer that he “saw the angel turn the golden leaves over and over” and heard him say: “The book translated from those plates is true and translated correctly.”

