You don’t approve of friends like Bev and Bill Shaw because they are not going to lead me to a higher life.’ ‘That’s not true, Lucy.’ ‘But it is true. They are not going to lead me to a higher life, and the reason is, there is no higher life. This is the only life there is. Which we share with animals. That’s the example that people like Bev try to set. That’s the example I try to follow. To share some of our human privilege with the beasts. I don’t want to come back in another existence as a dog or a pig and have to live as dogs or pigs live under us.’