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a Potter who manifests His glory by sacrificing Himself for the undeserving vessels,
Is this the purpose of the analogy? Are potters known for self-sacrifice for the sake of their pots?
not seeking glory for Himself,
Ephesians 1?
His mercy over everything all vessels do
What does this mean?
did not revealed
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Calvinists believe God’s glory is best displayed through the attribute of control (typically referred to as “sovereignty”), whereas non-Calvinists are convinced by Christ’s revelation that God’s glory is best displayed through the attribute of mercy.
No discussion of God's displaying the full range of his attributes.
the responsibility of choice
Do Calvinists not believe in responsibility and choice?
theological legalize
Huh?
God was seeking to mature my relationship with Him beyond the master/slave mentality and into a true abiding friendship.
unique perspective
What about Dr C Marvin Pate? Are you both unique?
If someone disagreed with me, my presumption was that they must not really understand my perspective.
Old habits...
drop my preconceived ideas, my biases, and anything that might hinder me from fully understanding the other perspective.
Impossible
in this volume I wish to focus on the main biblical truth that came to light in my journey.
Romans 9?
Calvinistic teachers almost always paint non-Calvinistic scholars as holding to this perspective.
Many do hold this view.
for the sole purpose
Alright, Dave Hunt.
emotional abhorrence
What? Abhorrence of what/whom?
the only passage that provides any semblance of a defense against the obvious objections these teachings provoke.
Hm.
most critical of all Calvinistic proof-texts.
dreadful
The story that Jesus tells about The Wedding Feast
In Romans 9?
Divine Choice #1: The choice of His servants, who were given the task of sending out the invitations. Divine Choice #2: The choice to send the invitations first to His own country and then to all others. Divine Choice #3: The choice to allow only those clothed in proper wedding garments to remain for the feast.
“granting faith or repentance” by sending the invitation to believe and repent.
Granting repentance is the same as inviting to repent?
By inviting them, He is granting them the ability to willingly respond.
Invite = enable? How about if I invite a dead person to live? A lame person to walk?
Suppose you went for a walk in your local park and happened upon an elderly man playing a game of chess all by himself. You stop and ask him why he is playing chess alone, and he says, “It’s the only way I know to guarantee my victory.” You continue on your way to find another elderly man playing chess with an actual opponent followed by a line of challengers as far as the eye can see. One by one they are defeated soundly without much effort due to the wisdom, foresight, and abilities of the elderly chess master. Which one are you going to go home and talk about? Which one is really greater
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Open Theism
God, in His freedom, has chosen to give dominion to His creation and He has not yet taken full meticulous control over everything on earth as it is in heaven (Mt. 6:10).
That verse is a bit of a stretch
Passages throughout the bible teach that there are “authorities” and “powers” which are yet to be destroyed, and that have been given limited control.
So the fact that there are powers distinct from God proves that they are outside his dominion?
why is the term “foreknowledge” even employed if a more applicable term like “predetermine” is available?
Covenantal knowing is distinct from having knowledge ahead of time which is distinct from the decree of God. They are all different theological concepts, professor.
Why does such language even exist in reflecting on God’s relation to creation
The Bible speaks only of foreknowing people, not events as in a philosophical foreknkwledge. Knowledge of the futue as a category in discussing omniscience is perfectly acceptable. Calvinists just have a grounding for it.
called them to salvation (2 Cor. 5:20),
How is this verse relevant?
the clay is unfaithful.
Unfaithful clay? Metaphor is being stretched beyond recognition.
clay without any real freedom to make choices between available moral options
Does literal clay have these abilities?
evil actions
Was it evil or not?
as I did with my daughter
Open Theism
Chapter 5 A Commentary on Romans 9
Four chapters with no Romans 9
noble purpose
"prepared for glory" and prepared for destructions means "prophets and non-prophets"
to a corporate application somewhere before they get to the end of the chapter and into the following two chapters.
No chance that Paul himself makes the transition?
not every individual descendant of Abraham is chosen to accomplish what the nation of Israel was chosen to accomplish.
Could he be refering not to message-bringers, but too the people of God (Gal 6:16)?
save
So now he's talking about the salvation of individuals? Not in the parallel phrase immediately before this sentence?
If God’s election of Jacob is completely unconditional then he would not have needed to be Isaac’s son;
This is a weird argument. He unconditionally chose both Jacob and Isasc. Also the purpose of the example of Jacob is to compare him to Esau.
for no apparent reason,
Son of Adam?
are we to believe God Himself detested Jacob’s brother Esau, and the nation of Edom, from before the foundation of the world?
Does the wrath of God against sin offend you this much, proffessor?
that God hates unborn babies for
Dave Hunt
Could the same hermeneutical principle be applied toward understanding God’s choice of Jacob over Esau?
Choose which way you'll avoid this text and stick with it. Don't just multiply options.
“You (a Jew God has chosen to harden in his rebellion) will say to me (a Jew God has mercifully compelled through external means to come out of his rebellion in order to fulfill God’s promise), “Why does God blame me? For who resists His will?”
If this is the objection, why doesnt Paul just answer, "Well you hardened yourself first!"
selects a portion from this lump to carry His redemptive message to the rest of the world.
Providing they cooperate
Did the clay come to the Potter flawed already, or did the Potter himself spoil the clay?
Same lump. Stretching this analogy to the breaking point
spoiling
The point of the analogy is nt how "spoiled" the clay is, but what the Potter does with it. This guy wants to talk only about inability.
callousing)
Calloused Clay. Mixed metaphor or insensitive boxer?
set on dismissing human responsibility
Wow. Is this what Dr White is "set on?"
need of the clay to respond
Responsive vs nonresponsive clay. Clay.
able to respond (and thus be held “responsible”)
Incoherent
