Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case

by Frank Turek

Before we get back to Madison, let’s go to Irvine and drop in on that debate with Dr. Bahnsen questioning Dr. Stein: Bahnsen: Do you believe there are laws of logic then? Stein: Absolutely. Bahnsen: Are they universal? Stein: They are agreed upon by human beings, not realizing it is just out in nature. Bahnsen: Are they simply conventions then? Stein: They are conventions that are self-verifying. Bahnsen: Are they sociological laws or laws of thought? Stein: They are laws of thought, which are interpreted by man. Bahnsen: Are they material in nature? Stein: How could a law be material? Bahnsen: That’s the question I’m going to ask you. Stein: I would say no. Notice that Dr. Stein, despite being an atheist and a materialist, admitted that the laws of logic are not material. It was then his turn to question Dr. Bahnsen: Stein: Dr. Bahnsen, would you call God material or immaterial? Bahnsen: Immaterial. Stein: What is something that’s immaterial? Bahnsen: Something not extended in space. Stein: Can you give me any other example, other than God, that’s immaterial? Bahnsen: The laws of logic. [Raucous laughter.][1] So in Madison, I took my cue from Dr. Bahnsen to respond to Michael’s question. Here is how our exchange began: Michael: Can you please explain to me how something can exist without time, space, or matter to exist out of? And if you can explain how that is possible, can you...

What else is immaterial other than God? According to materialist atheists..... Logic!