PB: What do you mean what do I mean? You assume the universe had to have a beginning. What if there was no beginning? (Pause) SG: I never thought of that. I was extremely surprised by this comment. He was about to try to convert others and yet he had not even thought of the most basic objection to his worldview? I was also shocked this point of doxastic openness came so early in the conversation. At this juncture I wanted to make sure he didn’t feel stupid,