John Richards

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the world appears. This is the way a realized person understands the process of creation. A realized person knows that the Self is first, whereas an ignorant person believes that the world comes first. In a dream, one leaves this body and takes up another body. In this same manner, thousands of bodies are taken by the Self. If you say, the world comes first, then there is no end to the diversity of the process.
Amrut Laya: The Stateless State
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