Matt Pfleger

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Rather than Karen engaging with Joan’s ideas the way she would with anyone else’s, DiAngelo wants Karen to see a Black woman and think, “okay, it’s a Black woman, don’t interrupt her, don’t disagree with her, don’t make her feel uncomfortable in any way.” In other words, don’t be herself when interacting with her. It feels a bit like how you treat a kid playing Pictionary.
What's Our Problem?: A Self-Help Book for Societies
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