Comments on Best Books Ever - page 76

Emma wrote: "Best is just a word of opinion. "



By your statement, every first prize is just an opinion.

In top 5 there is only one good book...
4th place for Twilight is a joke, bad one too.

Titas (Emperor) wrote: "Lee wrote: " ...you wrote "JUSTINE Bieber and I'm trying not to laugh uncontrollably at the irony. ..."

Purpose of course. The lady should just change his name already from 'in' to 'ine'!"

I second that motion.

Łukasz wrote: "In top 5 there is only one good book...
4th place for Twilight is a joke, bad one too."
That is your opinion, not a joke. Please respect the vote of the community.

Okay, everyone has their own opinions. I can list so many books that I think should be listed far before Twilight, but somehow a bunch of people voted on it. But everyone has their own opinions and likes different kinds of "literature"(I use this as a loose term), so it ended up there, though Unwind should definitely be before Twilight. All fandoms have the right to exist, and to voice that they exist, And even if their opinion is questionable, it's still their opinion.

Hole with it. I am not fighting these internet wars anymore.

Okay comments section we get it, Twilight sucks.

Mandy wrote: "Why would Twilight be on this list?!
Great list:) Can you please add Throne of Glass series?"
Twilight is on this list because some people happen to love it.

Sean wrote: "Okay comments section we get it, Twilight sucks."
It does not suck, that is an opinion. An opinion is also me saying it does not suck. They are opinions, yes, but not facts. Many people, I believe, are being rude when they say a book sucks or shouldn't be on this list. People put in a lot of effort to write these books, we should respect their work.

Emma wrote: "Mandy wrote: "Why would Twilight be on this list?!
Great list:) Can you please add Throne of Glass series?"
Twilight is on this list because some people happen to love it."
You can love a book, but it doesn't make it a good book. I like a lot of books, because they are easy to read etc. but i know that it doesn't make it good.

Łukasz wrote: "Emma wrote: "Mandy wrote: "Why would Twilight be on this list?!
Great list:) Can you please add Throne of Glass series?"
Twilight is on this list because some people happen to love it."
You can lo..."
You are right on that. I guess a book cannot be good or bad, it is different for every person who reads it. All we can do is look at the ratings and listen to what people say about that particular book, depending if we read it or not. A book will be good to some people and bad to others. I'm saying the authors put a lot of thought into what they write. Twilight, for example, is a best seller, so that would lead me to think it is a good book. Good is my opinion, but it is also the opinion of other people as well. It is also the complete opposite of other people. We all have our own definitions of good. Good can be an easy read, lovable characters, witty conversations, plot twists you never saw coming, etc. We all have our opinion and "good" or "bad" tend to be words we use when describing(sp) something. Well, we use it in our reviews, just with different words that means essentially (sp) the same thing. I love many books as well, my friends who read the book agree it was a good book, to us. I also have friends who read the same book and didn't like it. We have our different opinions about that book. You can say it may be a good book because it averaged out to pretty good ratings or if it earned an award. A book may not catch your interest but it may have caught the interest of readers of different genres. It will not be a good book to everybody, but it will be to some.

Emma wrote: "Sean wrote: "Okay comments section we get it, Twilight sucks."
It does not suck, that is an opinion. An opinion is also me saying it does not suck. They are opinions, yes, but not facts. Many peopl..."

Oh fuck when will this end!!!

Emma, I think Sean was being ironic in his first message above. The bashing in these comments is getting WAY too repetitive. :D

Sean, when will it end indeed?...

Kalin wrote: "Emma, I think Sean was being ironic in his first message above. The bashing in these comments is getting WAY too repetitive. :D

Sean, when will it end indeed?..."

It's just the same conversation about Twilight over and over again for nearly 80 pages

Sean wrote: "Kalin wrote: "Emma, I think Sean was being ironic in his first message above. The bashing in these comments is getting WAY too repetitive. :D

Sean, when will it end indeed?..."

It's just the same..."
Well, it wouldn't have to be if people could just agree that we all have our own tastes in books.

Amber wrote: "This list is a joke!"

agree

Dana wrote: "Make your own list. Satisfy your inner proselyte!"

LOL!

I'm pretty new at this so correct me if I am wrong. Lists are there to vote on, you can vote on what book you deem worthy and scroll past the ones you dislike. One is not better than the other, do not say one is better than the other because that is your opinion and not everyone agrees. When you talk to someone and say a book is great, they will know you are talking about how you enjoyed it. Debate teams in high school are given one side to fight for, not both. Debates on the web are different. Some people do not like to take both sides, but they are given a choice. Most will not allow themselves to see a bigger picture. They stick to what they believe, do they put themselves in someone else's shoes? Not likely when they are enraged or just want to get their point across. Human fights often include harsh language and pointless yelling, unless your a pacifist.
What I'm trying to say is that we can do what we want, but we must keep in mind the thoughts of others as well.

Maybe ...Favorite Books Ever.....but...Best Books Ever??? Are you serious?

Antonio wrote: "Maybe ...Favorite Books Ever.....but...Best Books Ever??? Are you serious?"
This is average vote by the community. I see it fits as a lot of people voted their believed best. Lists are opinions as to what we believe book wise.

You looked at this list and Jane Austen was the one you had a problem with?!?


Nikki wrote: "proof that the truth is not democratic =/

seriously, jane austen? errughhh."

Titas (Emperor) wrote: "Emma wrote: "Best is just a word of opinion. "



By your statement, every first prize is just an opinion."
First prize is usually given to what judges believe is the best. So yes, first prize is given to the best by the judges' opinions.

Emma wrote: "First prize is usually given to what judges believe is the best. So yes, first prize is given to the best by the judges' opinions. "

So by your statement, a runner doesn't get a first prize because he touches the line first but he gets it by judges' opinions. Cool!

Titas, how is running like reading?

Titas (Emperor) wrote: "Emma wrote: "First prize is usually given to what judges believe is the best. So yes, first prize is given to the best by the judges' opinions. "

So by your statement, a runner doesn't get a first..."
There are different kinds of competitions. I was talking about a different one than you. In a race, the one who crosses first wins but books can't exactly run. There is no best, we do have our opinions as to what is best but what we may think is fact because so many people may have agreed is actually opinion that is shared by many. There is also a slight difference between winner and best. Winner is fact, best can be fact if by contest means, but it is most likely opinion in other cases. It is the best most likely because judges thought it was the best. For example, best dressed, best science fair project, etc. Do you see what I'm saying?

Nikki wrote: "proof that the truth is not democratic =/

seriously, jane austen? errughhh."

I don't know Jane Austen. But I agree truth is not democratic.

Twilight is better than Narnia? THAT'S SAD!

I was going to vote on this list but saw the number one book and decided not to.

P.S. to all the idiots who think their 'opinion' is equally valid - it isn't. If your only defense for picking a crap book is a self-righteous bleat about your rights and entitlements and the equality of all people's views, then you are sure in for a shock when you leave kindergarten.

If this list is 'true' I have terrible taste! I have read just 4 books out of the 'best' 100 and I have marked a mere 5 as to-read.

Hailey wrote: "Rowndincircles wrote: "It makes me so sad that Twilight is anywhere on this list. I hope Twilight mania ends soon. "

Yah."

Twilight is in stage 3 of overhyped books.
Stage 1: start of the fancraze, only lovers.
Stage 2: start of the mass-hate, only haters.
Stage 3: return of the Twihards to defend their fandom, war with heavy casualties and utter and complete chaos.
Stage 4: death of the fandom because fans have reached adulthood, except for some old people in basements waiting for the remake of the movies.

We're almost there.

Morgan wrote: "Twilight is better than Narnia? THAT'S SAD!"

You know what's even sadder? This list has 79 (!) pages of comments about how this list has no value whatsoever. Am I the only person who finds this incredibly ironic? That's like eating a banana and saying, "Wow, this thing tastes so disgusting I'm not even going to eat it."

How is any Young Adult book even in the conversation for Best Book Ever?

To vote on this one should have to have read at least 100 classics, in addition to several hundred books from other genres. How can someone that has read only Young Adult books truly judge in such a competition?

Andrew wrote: "How is any Young Adult book even in the conversation for Best Book Ever?

To vote on this one should have to have read at least 100 classics, in addition to several hundred books from other genres..."

1. Have you even read Young Adult books?
2. Why do people always pretend classics are better than contemporary books? Do you suppose we lost brain cells over the centuries? I think Young Adult can also contain valuable information.
3. 'Best' is a subjective term. We all have our favorite books and genres. So that would mean no one can vote on this list.

A lot of people, not all, have been commenting on how bad they think some books on this list are and how something is better than another...can't anyone just accept that we all have our own votes and opinions? I have mine, you have yours. I have also been seeing some comments that tell of bad reading choices. Well, again, the authors put hard work, pain, and love in their books. I'm just going to ask you readers one thing...do you really believe you could write the book better? Oh, and if so, what if people still called it bad? How would you feel after putting hours of hard work into something only for it to be harshly rejected?

Emma wrote: "A lot of people, not all, have been commenting on how bad they think some books on this list are and how something is better than another...can't anyone just accept that we all have our own votes a..."

Very nicely stated Emma, I have to agree. Just because one likes or doesn't like a book doesn't mean others will or wont. It's the beauty of what a story brings to the individual/s reading it.

I say read anything, read read read. I would probably have read the Twilight books, but Anne Rice resurrected the vampire genre about 40 years ago, and they are good to great, and from last year "Prince Lestat" was awesome. Anyway, the term "young adult" is odd. I know dozens of 50-60 year-olds who qualify.

I've loved Twilight since 3rd grade and I'm a Freshman. I don't care who says what, it still won't change my mind.

Twilight better then the Stand???? Is this a teenage girls list? I'm never looking at this list again.

I would like to use these lists to find good books, not books that are merely popular, but rather books that have merit according to some broadly recognized scale of literary standard. It's frustrating to see almost every list topped by the bloody Hunger games or Twilight.

So clearly we can go round and round in circles on this one. Everyone is right, no-one is wrong and we can all settle into our respective safe spaces with a cup of hot chocolate, a teddy bear and a nice book, secure in our right to have an opinion and the correctness of that opinion.

If you subscribe to that view then next time you need a wisdom tooth extracted, show me the courage of your convictions and get a janitor to extract it. After all, his opinion on dental surgery is equally valid right? Well bollocks to that.

Ian, how is extracting a tooth and reading/interpreting/experiencing a book comparable?

As for a "recognized scale of literary standard," maybe one of the more specific lists will better suit your search. (I doubt it will be broadly recognized, though; this list shows the books with the broadest recognition, for what that's worth.)

Dodo wrote: "Pat wrote: "proof that voting shouldn't be a matter of arithmetic"

That, too.

But on this site, it might and most probably has to do with the very scale of rating, as well. Users seem to award an..."
Dodo, you are so right. A three-star rating is a good rating, it means we liked it!

Andrea wrote: "I've loved Twilight since 3rd grade and I'm a Freshman. I don't care who says what, it still won't change my mind."
Andrea, okay, you're now a freshman in college, at least 18. So let's do this. Since Hunger Games is only a retelling of the "Battle Royale" film from Japan, and since I've read several Potter books and found them okay, I'll read "Twilight" if you will read Anne Rice's "Interview With The Vampire" or her "Prince Lestat" from last year. Then we will compare. Deal? Just for the fun of it. I've not read any of the Twilight books, so it's really not fair for me to say it shouldn't be in the top ten.

Ian wrote: "I would like to use these lists to find good books, not books that are merely popular, but rather books that have merit according to some broadly recognized scale of literary standard. It's frustra..."
Perfect analogy.

Andrea wrote: "I've loved Twilight since 3rd grade and I'm a Freshman. I don't care who says what, it still won't change my mind."

Twilight since third grade? Thanks for that tidbit of information. Now we know where you are coming from.

Randy wrote: "Andrea wrote: "I've loved Twilight since 3rd grade and I'm a Freshman. I don't care who says what, it still won't change my mind."

Twilight since third grade? Thanks for that tidbit of information..."
Randy, yep, imagine, 9-10 year old readers listed Twilight as a favorite. It would be interesting if goodreads could factor in something like # of books read. So, for example, if one votes "Rabbit Run" as a favorite, and one has read 500 books, then "Rabbit Run" would get 500 votes automatically. I think this list would look a lot different if goodreads were to do this, and would certainly lend credibility to the list.

Randy wrote: "Twilight better then the Stand???? Is this a teenage girls list? I'm never looking at this list again."
Then you don't have to look at this list again, if it bothers you so much. It won't affect anybody if you choose to ignore this list. But please, do what you think is best.

Sanjay wrote: "Christ, Goodreads must be dominated by fucking plebs."

The technical term is 'fangirls.'

Black Butterfly wrote: "Sanjay wrote: "Christ, Goodreads must be dominated by fucking plebs."

The technical term is 'fangirls.'"
And, like "fanboys", nothing wrong at all with these terms.

Sean wrote: "Nikki wrote: "proof that the truth is not democratic =/

seriously, jane austen? errughhh."


2% of the world's population are considered geniuses, 2% mentally challenge and the rest think they are..."
Well, you could let the geniuses run everything. Or, let the mentally challenged run everything. I don't think there would be much difference. I think the people who think they are geniuses and refuse to acknowledge they aren't are the most dangerous. Especially with voting rights.

Bruce wrote: "I'm not going to argue with the Book of Mormon--either all religious texts are valid for a list like this, in which case it's merely interesting, or all religious texts should be off the list, in w..."

I have to agree w/ you about Twilight. It's all a matter of perspective, opinion, but dang...